What's the right World Islam policy/strategy?

[DMT]

Good stuff Bhob..

Great summary from Juan Cole.

http://www.juancole.com/2012/09/romney-jumps-the-shark-libya-egypt-and-the-butterfly-effect.html

Also, the Onion nails it. NSFW?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/

[JudeBaldo]

good stuff bhob..

Great summary from juan cole.

http://www.juancole.com/2012/09/romney-jumps-the-shark-libya-egypt-and-the-butterfly-effect.html

also, the onion nails it. Nsfw?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-...s-image,29553/

Hahahahaha. Definitely NSFW. What kind of company do you work for that would allow such a thing to be viewed.

[GwynnInTheHall]

:ROFL:

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Yeah lets compare the crusades to modern day terrorism.

yeah because killing Muslims in the name of Christ centuries ago is Soooooo different than killing Christians in the name of Allah today.

[B-Fly]

:ROFL:

yeah because killing Muslims in the name of Christ centuries ago is Soooooo different than killing Christians in the name of Allah today.

Frighteningly enough, I agree with RotoRooter on this point. "Centuries ago" versus "today" is more than enough to qualify it as "Sooooooo different". The Crusades are not a legitimate justification or excuse for modern day Islamic terrorism.

[Bob Kohm]

Justification? Of course not. Contributing cultural cause? Absolutely. Do you think that the Crusades are not in the minds of today's radicals, Brian? Hell, the tag instantly applied to US forces in 1990/1 was "Crusaders", and the image of Salah al-Din is still the overwhelming military hero of the culture. We saw the wars in the former Yugoslavia enflamed by the Battle of Kosovo, fought in the 1380s. We still live with the strategic impact of the Armenian Genocide. How many centuries into the future will the Holocaust echo? No, I don't see the relevance of the Crusades to modern strife so easily dismissed at all.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Frighteningly enough, I agree with RotoRooter on this point. "Centuries ago" versus "today" is more than enough to qualify it as "Sooooooo different". The Crusades are not a legitimate justification or excuse for modern day Islamic terrorism.

wasn't meant to be a justification. Rooter's comments inferred that only Islam kills others in the name of their God and that's just not the case and just as slavery and racism may be centuries apart, they are related, as are the atrocities one faith has rained down on another over time are to today's conflicts. As Bhob has said, this is now more of a socoi-economic battle, but it's still rooted in the age ol battle between Christians, Jews and Muslims.

[B-Fly]

If we're trying to build consensus around an American approach to Islam, then I think it's foolish to traffic in equivalency retorts to conservatives who point out that Muslim radicals pose a greater risk for violent terrorism than Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or Rastafarian radicals. You lose about half of this country out of the gate with that argument. Bob's points about digging into the economic/societal/political conditions that contribute to those higher levels of violent rage are important. I don't want to see those points lost to half of America because of casual suggestions about equivalency.

[Bob Kohm]

Denial of facts doesn't make them go away. If we can't confront them head on, we can't move forward.

[Bob Kohm]

I am OK with drone strikes as they do a needed job with far, far less collateral damage than would less precise forms of strike. They also limit escalation by taking downed human pilots out of the picture, so no CSAR missions with their attendant flak suppression, captured pilots being tortured, special forces operators on the ground carrying out missions, etc.

[The Feral Slasher]

I don't know that we can have much success convincing the true believers not to hate us and those who are so inclined to attempt terrorist acts against us. But I do think that the majority of the world's Muslims, even in the countries most prone to sympathy for terrorism, can be nudged away from support for violence. That in itself is no easy task, but I don't think it's a strategy that we should abandon entirely.

So do you think invading and occupying their land and killing their people with drones leads to more or less sympathy for terrorism ?

[Lurker765]

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how do you make pictures bigger in a post?

[nullnor]

is it really hard to believe that ppl in the muslim world, who are oppressed by their governments, would focus on us instead? if both the muslim people of pro-american and anti-american governments do it, then let them have their own democratic government.

if you don't think that works, is democracy really that weak. ..because it's a lot better trying to do it now than later. if this were cards it would be our last chance. like trying to catch one hard to get card, for the best hand. the democracy card. that's the course we're on. gotta stick with it. there's no other hand left to play.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Anti-US protests are spreading all over the place due to this movie. I am so incredibly sick of all brands religious extremists. Just saw a picture of a little kid in Sidney, Australia of all places holding a sign that said "Behead all those who insult the prophet." Ugh.

If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

[nullnor]

there is no such thing, in the natural world, as a wind that is both wicked and whispering.

[GwynnInTheHall]

there is no such thing, in the natural world, as a wind that is both wicked and whispering.

you've never played the OF in Candlestick.