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What's the right World Islam policy/strategy?
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Originally posted by dmt View Postgood stuff bhob..
Great summary from juan cole.
The late science fiction writer Ray Bradbury authored a short story about time travelers. They were careful, when they went …
also, the onion nails it. Nsfw?
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:ROFL:Originally posted by Roto Rooter View PostLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Yeah lets compare the crusades to modern day terrorism.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post:ROFL:
yeah because killing Muslims in the name of Christ centuries ago is Soooooo different than killing Christians in the name of Allah today.
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Justification? Of course not. Contributing cultural cause? Absolutely. Do you think that the Crusades are not in the minds of today's radicals, Brian? Hell, the tag instantly applied to US forces in 1990/1 was "Crusaders", and the image of Salah al-Din is still the overwhelming military hero of the culture. We saw the wars in the former Yugoslavia enflamed by the Battle of Kosovo, fought in the 1380s. We still live with the strategic impact of the Armenian Genocide. How many centuries into the future will the Holocaust echo? No, I don't see the relevance of the Crusades to modern strife so easily dismissed at all."There is involved in this struggle the question whether your children and my children shall enjoy the privileges we have enjoyed. I say this in order to impress upon you, if you are not already so impressed, that no small matter should divert us from our great purpose. "
Abraham Lincoln, from his Address to the Ohio One Hundred Sixty Fourth Volunteer Infantry
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostFrighteningly enough, I agree with RotoRooter on this point. "Centuries ago" versus "today" is more than enough to qualify it as "Sooooooo different". The Crusades are not a legitimate justification or excuse for modern day Islamic terrorism.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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If we're trying to build consensus around an American approach to Islam, then I think it's foolish to traffic in equivalency retorts to conservatives who point out that Muslim radicals pose a greater risk for violent terrorism than Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or Rastafarian radicals. You lose about half of this country out of the gate with that argument. Bob's points about digging into the economic/societal/political conditions that contribute to those higher levels of violent rage are important. I don't want to see those points lost to half of America because of casual suggestions about equivalency.
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Denial of facts doesn't make them go away. If we can't confront them head on, we can't move forward."There is involved in this struggle the question whether your children and my children shall enjoy the privileges we have enjoyed. I say this in order to impress upon you, if you are not already so impressed, that no small matter should divert us from our great purpose. "
Abraham Lincoln, from his Address to the Ohio One Hundred Sixty Fourth Volunteer Infantry
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I am OK with drone strikes as they do a needed job with far, far less collateral damage than would less precise forms of strike. They also limit escalation by taking downed human pilots out of the picture, so no CSAR missions with their attendant flak suppression, captured pilots being tortured, special forces operators on the ground carrying out missions, etc."There is involved in this struggle the question whether your children and my children shall enjoy the privileges we have enjoyed. I say this in order to impress upon you, if you are not already so impressed, that no small matter should divert us from our great purpose. "
Abraham Lincoln, from his Address to the Ohio One Hundred Sixty Fourth Volunteer Infantry
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostI don't know that we can have much success convincing the true believers not to hate us and those who are so inclined to attempt terrorist acts against us. But I do think that the majority of the world's Muslims, even in the countries most prone to sympathy for terrorism, can be nudged away from support for violence. That in itself is no easy task, but I don't think it's a strategy that we should abandon entirely.
So do you think invading and occupying their land and killing their people with drones leads to more or less sympathy for terrorism ?---------------------------------------------
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is it really hard to believe that ppl in the muslim world, who are oppressed by their governments, would focus on us instead? if both the muslim people of pro-american and anti-american governments do it, then let them have their own democratic government.
if you don't think that works, is democracy really that weak. ..because it's a lot better trying to do it now than later. if this were cards it would be our last chance. like trying to catch one hard to get card, for the best hand. the democracy card. that's the course we're on. gotta stick with it. there's no other hand left to play.
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Originally posted by eldiablo505Anti-US protests are spreading all over the place due to this movie. I am so incredibly sick of all brands religious extremists. Just saw a picture of a little kid in Sidney, Australia of all places holding a sign that said "Behead all those who insult the prophet." Ugh.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by nullnor View Postthere is no such thing, in the natural world, as a wind that is both wicked and whispering.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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