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If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostPersonally I would not recommend making statements like "I would consider myself very woke". It seems clear from everything you have stated in this thread that you are against woke culture. If that's your stance, while I don't agree with it, at least you could rationalize it and stay consistent. Walking this odd line of claiming to be woke while also expressing opinions that are very opposed to the social justice platforms that "woke" represents comes across as attempting to avoid criticism of your stance. It's a "yeah but..." defensive argument that doesn't play out well.
Not a direct comparison here, but to just give you an understanding of how your statements come across, it's akin to the "I can't be a racist because I have a black friend" argument. Or even "I don't see color".
Because i disagree with one particular issue, you conclude that I am against woke culture? That's a pretty bold leap.
You make it sound so simple, when it's a very complex subject that covers a very wide variety of issues. Why would you pigeonhole me as against woke culture for my opinion on one issue?"I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostAs I explained already. Do you say that someone who is woke has to be woke on every single issue?
Because i disagree with one particular issue, you conclude that I am against woke culture? That's a pretty bold leap.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostAs I explained already. Do you say that someone who is woke has to be woke on every single issue?
Because i disagree with one particular issue, you conclude that I am against woke culture? That's a pretty bold leap.
You make it sound so simple, when it's a very complex subject that covers a very wide variety of issues. Why would you pigeonhole me as against woke culture for my opinion on one issue?
If you were never woke and now are mostly woke and you are happy with that isn't that grand?
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Originally posted by Mithrandir View Post
Because i disagree with one particular issue, you conclude that I am against woke culture? That's a pretty bold leap.
Originally posted by Mithrandir View Postthe woke people who will rain down a deluge of name-calling
Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostMy problem with the woke crowd is when they refuse to see another point of view and proceed to pile onto the person opposing their viewpoint
Originally posted by Mithrandir View Postwhen someone dare disagree with the woke crowd on the site, there has been so very harsh retribution
Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostEVERYTHING the woke crowd deems offensive, isn't offensive. But many fail to make the distinction between truly offensive and offending their point of view.
Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostYou can stop at a person who is born with a penis.
Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostWe have to allow a trans female to compete against females so their feelings aren't hurt
I understand where you are coming from but my recommendation is that you not call yourself "woke".
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Originally posted by umjewman View PostI love some of the dialogue in that movie:
Denise Richards: Why haven't they killed us?
Whatshisname: They want us alive.
Genius!
Or when the captain says he only has one rule, but then it's really 2 rules. Rule No. 1: Everyone fights, nobody quits. Rule No. 2: If you don't do your job, I'll kill you. Reminds me of the Spanish Inquisition.
In any event, I almost always stop and get sucked in on this movie when it's on.
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Originally posted by Bene Futuis View PostI liked the movie better than the book, which almost never happens.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by Bene Futuis View PostI liked the movie better than the book, which almost never happens.
But it is easy to see why a fan of the book would find the cheesy parody movie version of it off-putting.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostThat might have something to do with the book being a sincere love letter to war or at least the concept that military service is a sacred duty that should define what it means to be a citizen. And the movie is a parody of that concept. Both were impactful to me for different reasons when I first experienced them. The book is more contemplative and sincere, and offers a window into its author's philosophies (which I do not agree with, but are still artfully expressed)). The movie really mocks the MIC and fascist, militaristic governance. It takes itself much less seriously, being a send up. I can certainly see why many don't like it, but the only part I didn't like is that dumb main character not hooking up with Dizzy .
But it is easy to see why a fan of the book would find the cheesy parody movie version of it off-putting.More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostDepends on which issues you've yet to fully educate yourself about."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by Ken View PostNo there's no bold leap here, it's because of statements like this:
And like this:
And like this:
And like this:
And like this:
And like this:
(which to be fair to you, you edited later to make it less offensive)
I understand where you are coming from but my recommendation is that you not call yourself "woke"."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostNah. I'm pretty WOKE. Like I said, I don't agree with everything the WOKE culture promotes. Do you?If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostSo please specify what ideas of the woke culture you disagree with and why, you being as educated cuz your surrounded by all them books and stuff should make it pretty easy.
I had no problem with the Dr. Seuss books being pulled because of their offensiveness. So I got that going for me!Last edited by Mithrandir; 07-06-2021, 04:57 PM."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostI provided an example in the thread that you created on wokeness.
I had no problem with the Dr. Seuss books being pulled because of their offensiveness. So I got that going for me!
I asked for specific issue that you think are oversteps but the woke culture. You linked three articles about the same thing, trans athletes. One about csigender parents complaining, one about a transgirl suing Florida and another advocating for trans inclusion.
What are you trying to communicate, please use your own words as I'm obviously to dense to decipher your code.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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