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  • #91
    Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
    So just pretend Biden fucks everything up. If pence has zero chance who does have a chance?
    It's Nikki Haley. Has been for a while. Trump could have won this election, and she'd have still spiked Pence in a primary. A lot can happen in four years, but she's putting the pieces in place, has support from some serious money, and she has serious political chops.
    I'm just here for the baseball.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by chancellor View Post
      It's Nikki Haley. Has been for a while. Trump could have won this election, and she'd have still spiked Pence in a primary. A lot can happen in four years, but she's putting the pieces in place, has support from some serious money, and she has serious political chops.
      If the GOP does not separate from tRump, they won't win an election going forward.
      If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

      Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
      Martin Luther King, Jr.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by chancellor View Post
        It's Nikki Haley. Has been for a while. Trump could have won this election, and she'd have still spiked Pence in a primary. A lot can happen in four years, but she's putting the pieces in place, has support from some serious money, and she has serious political chops.
        Forgot about her. Meh
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        • #94
          Originally posted by chancellor View Post
          It's Nikki Haley. Has been for a while. Trump could have won this election, and she'd have still spiked Pence in a primary. A lot can happen in four years, but she's putting the pieces in place, has support from some serious money, and she has serious political chops.
          I think you continue to have an optimistic view of the GOP and their base to think someone like Haley could win the nomination. Based on the last guy they chose, it won't be her. That said, as much as I disagree with her on nearly everything, I will take it as a positive step in the right direction if the GOP goes from supporting Trump to Haley. That is, unless she runs on a platform of Trumpism and with deference to Trump to cater to his based, in which case I will have lost all respect for her (though, I hope that by the time 2024 roles around, no GOP candidate will speak his name, kinda like how Bush was persona non grata after he was out...doubt that happens, though). Even then, simply being a women and a minority hurt her with some GOP voters.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
            I think you continue to have an optimistic view of the GOP and their base to think someone like Haley could win the nomination.
            Dunno about optimistic view of the GOPs base or no, but as you noted, she's a woman and a minority and already won governor of SOUTH CAROLINA. If she can win in South Carolina, she can win anywhere, and in the entire nation in a GOP primary. Mind you, as Feral noted, her competition just isn't that strong, either.
            I'm just here for the baseball.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by chancellor View Post
              Dunno about optimistic view of the GOPs base or no, but as you noted, she's a woman and a minority and already won governor of SOUTH CAROLINA. If she can win in South Carolina, she can win anywhere, and in the entire nation in a GOP primary. Mind you, as Feral noted, her competition just isn't that strong, either.
              Nice troll of 1J. Subtle.
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              • #97
                There is little doubt in my mind that Trump will not be convicted as Republicans are more worried about not having a primary challenge from a Trump pick. It is very ironic in that by not convicting they are essentially giving the party over to Trump and his ilk. Lincoln would be rolling over in his grave. If I am of the Ben Sasse variety, I abandon the GOP brand at work with other to form a moderately conservative third-party, which IMO, people are screaming for to break this logjam of partisanship.
                "Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
                - Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane

                i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
                - nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by In the Corn View Post
                  There is little doubt in my mind that Trump will not be convicted as Republicans are more worried about not having a primary challenge from a Trump pick. It is very ironic in that by not convicting they are essentially giving the party over to Trump and his ilk. Lincoln would be rolling over in his grave. If I am of the Ben Sasse variety, I abandon the GOP brand at work with other to form a moderately conservative third-party, which IMO, people are screaming for to break this logjam of partisanship.
                  And what has morphing into the party of Trump gotten them? Loss of the Presidency and the Senate. Sure, they got their judges, but only because of McConnell's singular evil and dumb luck. Not only do these cowards put themselves over their country, they can't even see it's a losing strategy for their party. Their craven self-interest trumps has totally blinded them, just so pathetic.
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                  • #99
                    I think Trump rebranded the GOP as the outsider party and grabbed a whole bunch of disaffected blue collar voters that had typically been democratic union workers in the past. If the GOP can manage to not alienate these guys, while returning the party to normalcy and bringing back the Lincoln project GOP through "Fiscal Responsibility" then they will be all the stronger for it.
                    I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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                    • Originally posted by heyelander View Post
                      I think Trump rebranded the GOP as the outsider party and grabbed a whole bunch of disaffected blue collar voters that had typically been democratic union workers in the past. If the GOP can manage to not alienate these guys, while returning the party to normalcy and bringing back the Lincoln project GOP through "Fiscal Responsibility" then they will be all the stronger for it.
                      Hard to imagine that there isn't a portion of the former GOP that was alienated by Trump and won't come back. A subset of my GOP friends are now independent anti-Trump.

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                      • Originally posted by Ken View Post
                        Hard to imagine that there isn't a portion of the former GOP that was alienated by Trump and won't come back. A subset of my GOP friends are now independent anti-Trump.
                        they have 4 (or 3) years to distance themselves.
                        I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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                        • Originally posted by heyelander View Post
                          I think Trump rebranded the GOP as the outsider party and grabbed a whole bunch of disaffected blue collar voters that had typically been democratic union workers in the past. If the GOP can manage to not alienate these guys, while returning the party to normalcy and bringing back the Lincoln project GOP through "Fiscal Responsibility" then they will be all the stronger for it.
                          A lot of my extended family members became diehard Trump supporters over the course of four years. I don't know that it was so much that they loved Trump as a person, but I think they liked that he was "strong against the liberals", and they have bought into the idea that Democrats are anti-religious socialists who want to abolish the police and let criminals run rampant and riot in the streets.
                          "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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                          • Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
                            Democrats are anti-religious socialists who want to abolish the police and let criminals run rampant and riot in the streets.
                            You say that like it's a bad thing
                            If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                            Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                            Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                            • Ugh, the GOP is such a dumpster fire. As many as 15 GOP Senators, aka the jurists in this proceeding, were not even present during portions of the proceedings. Some were falling asleep, some were on their phones, some were looking at maps (presumably to try to locate their spines). One GOP huckster referred to the Trump impeachment team as "our side". Three GOP Senators even fucking met with Trump's impeachment team last night! What the hell? Just the absolute worst, corrupt cowards. And this is the "law and order" party? Get the fuck outta here with that nonsense.
                              More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.

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                              • I assume no one is still operating under the delusion that the GOP will not attempt another coup in the near future.
                                More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.

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