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If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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On a different tangent, Jon Stewart's recent COVID origin rant with Colbert is classic. I have no idea if Stewart is fully serious, partly serious, or not at all serious, but just watching Colbert's face change from bemusement to terror to a visage like he's passing a kidney stone is classic.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Originally posted by chancellor View PostOn a different tangent, Jon Stewart's recent COVID origin rant with Colbert is classic. I have no idea if Stewart is fully serious, partly serious, or not at all serious, but just watching Colbert's face change from bemusement to terror to a visage like he's passing a kidney stone is classic.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostThere has always been compelling circumstantial evidence, but that is all it is at this point. I continue to withhold judgment and look side-eyed at anyone who seems to be filled with metaphysical certitude on the origin of COVID, in either direction. I hope it is something we find a definitive answer to eventually.
Bottomline--no matter what is done--will we ever really know what or how this all happened?
Probably not.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostNeither side has any factual evidence to support their theories. Can we trust those in charge (both in the US and China) to be honest with us in any regard? How much does politics play into finding/revealing the truth?
Bottomline--no matter what is done--will we ever really know what or how this all happened?
Probably not.
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Originally posted by Bene Futuis View PostNo doubt."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostNeither side has any factual evidence to support their theories.
Per the rest, I'd agree with SM's assessment of "compelling circumstantial evidence". While I won't claim to be metaphysically certain, I'm certain that we know the origin - both location and that it's a created, rather than natural occurance.
Can we trust those in charge (both in the US and China) to be honest with us in any regard?
How much does politics play into finding/revealing the truth?
Bottomline--no matter what is done--will we ever really know what or how this all happened?Last edited by chancellor; 06-16-2021, 11:26 AM.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostHow many innocent people do we execute already who we had "no doubt" were the killers? Given that number, which is already quite large, imagine the increase if we were to remove due process."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostOMG! Did you even pay attention to what I originally said??? I am not against due process, but when a person murders another in front of a large amount of eyewitnesses, how much due process is needed? So then give him a speedy trail then take him out and execute him."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View PostThat's exactly what supposedly happened in most Southern lynchings of black men/boys. What makes you think that wouldn't be exactly what would happen again? And the supposed murderer isn't around to tell a different story, so who is going to contradict that they committed a murder in front of a large amount of eyewitnesses? Even if they were and they're a black man, a homeless man, a mentally disabled man, an illegal immigrant, etc., who is going to believe their side of the story anyway?
The innocent people should get due process.
The guilty ones, execute immediately!
It's so obvious.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostBut you missed it, he's not against due process, only against due process for the real murderers.
The innocent people should get due process.
The guilty ones, execute immediately!
It's so obvious.
However, it's been proven time again to be flawed. To favor those in positions of wealth and power. To be inequitable towards people of color and the poor.
So in the end, is due process really a thing?If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostIf you have trust in our system of justice, due process is the way to go.
However, it's been proven time again to be flawed. To favor those in positions of wealth and power. To be inequitable towards people of color and the poor.
So in the end, is due process really a thing?
Is it perfect? Absolutely not.
I'm struggling to understand how it's worse than the immediate execution plan though.
In what scenarios, for those accused, is it better to be immediately executed than have due process?
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostIf you have trust in our system of justice, due process is the way to go.
However, it's been proven time again to be flawed. To favor those in positions of wealth and power. To be inequitable towards people of color and the poor.
So in the end, is due process really a thing?"Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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