Gretchen needs to put pressure on the county to fire his ass.
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the idea of elected (ie partisan) sheriffs - or anybody involved in the justice system - is just another bizarre part of your system to us from away ... I guess "it's not a bug, it's a feature" down thereIt certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.
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Crazy story out of Colorado. Not an officer, but a security guard hired to protect a reporter was confronted by one of these proud boy motherfuckers who walked up to the security guard, slapped him across the face hard, then proceeded to spray him with bear mace. Security guard pulls out a gun and shoots one shot. Proud boy is killed.
Right wing response was to claim the antifa boogeyman killed him, firing up rage against the left. I kind of feel he had a right to defend himself when being openly attacked, but I also don't want to open the door to more private security terrorizing the public.
https://theintercept.com/2020/10/12/...atriot-denver/Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostCrazy story out of Colorado. Not an officer, but a security guard hired to protect a reporter was confronted by one of these proud boy motherfuckers who walked up to the security guard, slapped him across the face hard, then proceeded to spray him with bear mace. Security guard pulls out a gun and shoots one shot. Proud boy is killed.
Right wing response was to claim the antifa boogeyman killed him, firing up rage against the left. I kind of feel he had a right to defend himself when being openly attacked, but I also don't want to open the door to more private security terrorizing the public.
https://theintercept.com/2020/10/12/...atriot-denver/If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostCrazy story out of Colorado. Not an officer, but a security guard hired to protect a reporter was confronted by one of these proud boy motherfuckers who walked up to the security guard, slapped him across the face hard, then proceeded to spray him with bear mace. Security guard pulls out a gun and shoots one shot. Proud boy is killed.
Right wing response was to claim the antifa boogeyman killed him, firing up rage against the left. I kind of feel he had a right to defend himself when being openly attacked, but I also don't want to open the door to more private security terrorizing the public.
https://theintercept.com/2020/10/12/...atriot-denver/
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostLesson to the Proud Boyeezz, Stay in your Lane bitches.
If our society is gonna let everyone run around with guns, people are gonna put themselves into dangerous situations for themselves and others and people are going to end up dead. It is pretty hard to kill someone with non-lethal weapons and with your hands. It is so freaking easy to point and shoot and the person is gone forever. And anyone clinging to the 2nd amendment, 1. this is not what the founding fathers envisioned or wanted. 2. The constitution is a living document and it it wasn't, it would have been abandoned long ago, because a document written hundreds of years ago must evolve with the people it applies to, or it is of no use to them.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostLesson to the Proud Boyeezz, Stay in your Lane bitches.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Originally posted by chancellor View PostDunno about stay in your lane, but conceptually we agree here. Dude slaps you and maces you without provocation other than protecting reporters you don’t like, and you have every right to use lethal force to defend yourself, right or left wing.
You guys might never want to be in a car with me as I'm the same when I drive.
I get it, I'm a bad guy who only exacerbates the issue--but I'm tired of ta\king it in the ass trying to be hopeful that assholes and their ilk will change just by being nice to them.
Fuck those guys, they know better--Maybe now they'll at the very least th8ink twice before spraying or assaulting someone they disagree with.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostRight, and that is the lesson they will take, and this won't lead to any antifas being killed. You wanna somewhere that you have the right to kill someone who is not putting your life in danger, property values in Florida are still cheaper than California. I don't know what the laws in Colorado are, but places that have laws that make murder a proportionate response to bitch slaps and pepper spray are dangerous places to be for everyone. And if you are okay with that line, where is yours? What if an antifa guy punched one of these racist PBs in the face for screaming the n-word. If that guy pulled a gun and shot the puncher, would that be cool? What if be pepper sprayed the racist? Then is it cool? It works both ways.
If our society is gonna let everyone run around with guns, people are gonna put themselves into dangerous situations for themselves and others and people are going to end up dead. It is pretty hard to kill someone with non-lethal weapons and with your hands. It is so freaking easy to point and shoot and the person is gone forever. And anyone clinging to the 2nd amendment, 1. this is not what the founding fathers envisioned or wanted. 2. The constitution is a living document and it it wasn't, it would have been abandoned long ago, because a document written hundreds of years ago must evolve with the people it applies to, or it is of no use to them.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Agree with GITH on this one. I am soooooooooooooooo fucking tired of assholes initiating violence. Fuck that asshole. The world is better without him."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by Mithrandir View PostAgree with GITH on this one. I am soooooooooooooooo fucking tired of assholes initiating violence. Fuck that asshole. The world is better without him.
Would any one of you sentence someone to death for those crimes? If not, why are you totally fine with him being killed for them in the street? Are any of you claiming that security guard actually feared for his life? Or do all of you really agree that non-lethal attacks warrant lethal responses? I'm sure all the LEOs that shoot protesters that throw bottles at them and the heavily armed Israeli soldiers that shoot Palestinians doing the same would agree with you. Do you not think that cops get punched, spit on, bitten? Do you not think correctional officers get piss and shit and blood and spit thrown at them? Just so we are clear here, you all think those cops are in the right for killing the people that do that to them. I know how mad I'd be if someone did that to me, and if someone who does that gets beaten into three months of rehab, I'm not donating to their gofundme, but ending another person's life is just a line I do not think should be crossed unless you think your life is in danger, and the correctional officer getting piss and shit and blood and spit thrown at him has more logical reason to fear for his life and long term well being (disease) than someone getting bitch slapped and maced does.
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I have NEVER laid my hands on another person. NEVER. So I have zero compassion for assholes like this guy. It is not that I don't value life, I just do not value the lives of assholes who get violent with other people for no reason. Unlike you and many others, I do not think that every life has the same value. I fucking hate bullies and people who decide to enact violence on others for no reason other than being a dick. Fuck em."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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I agree with GITH and Mith. Not fighting back only encourages a bully to continue and to increase the level of violence in their attacks. If you wait for sympathy and remorse from a bully you are waiting for the bully to finish you off.“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by madducks View PostI agree with GITH and Mith. Not fighting back only encourages a bully to continue and to increase the level of violence in their attacks. If you wait for sympathy and remorse from a bully you are waiting for the bully to finish you off.
At least I think I would. And that is not a defense of the man, or his ideals, and it is not an argument to cower and not stand up for what's right. Everyone has a right to defend themselves, and harming someone who harmed you and continues to try is right and just. That man, for his actions and thoughts had something bad coming to him. The man he attacked had a right to defend himself. But he was not being attacked with the intent to take his life and his response was lethal, because guns are easy and good at what they are for--killing people.
All you saying this action was right, if it were you, I think you'd be feeling pretty bad right now, having just taken a life. You may deny that, but I think it is BS, unless you have been in the spot. If anyone here has taken the life of someone who meant you harm, but clearly did not intend to kill you, and you clearly were in no danger of dying, and no one else around you was in danger of dying, please share. I'd love to learn about how well you slept that night.
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All those on the left in the "this Proud Boy deserved to die for pepper spraying someone" camp, will you have the same stance if/when an Antifa protester pepper sprays a cop or a right-wing marcher, or throws a bottle or rock at one and gets shot and killed? I'd hope so. Your position seems clear--anyone who pepper sprays you without cause other than the hate they feel for you deserves to be killed. I'm still not clear if you all feel that if that PB had not been shot if it would be just if the state later executed him for his crimes, and I'm still not clear on why you'd think he should be killed at the time of the offense but not later once a court convicted him. Unless, again, any of you are claiming this security guy was in fear for his life. But that doesn't seem to be the claim here. It is just that this guy was a scumbag who pepper sprayed a guy and he got shot and killed for it, and that is the right response when someone pepper sprays you or harms you wrongly in some other non-lethal way. If so, I'm just not sure you guys are thinking through that line of reasoning. You may not shed tears for this Proud Boy, but your stance that lethal responses are appropriate for non-lethal attacks leave open the justification for many killings like this of many people you would have more sympathy for.
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