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If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostThat's a matter of opinion, not fact. We could sit here and trade examples confirming our bias toward our positions. It's probably best for us to leave it at disparate POVs and move on. Thanks for your input.
If you meet violence with violence, it never stops, each side just keeps killing each other until there are none left under your plan.
How is that a solution to anything?
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Originally posted by Ken View PostWait what? It's not opinion, you aren't addressing the problem with your naive suggestion.
If you meet violence with violence, it never stops, each side just keeps killing each other until there are none left under your plan.
How is that a solution to anything?If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostLook Ken, we've managed to stay out of each others way for a good bit of time now. Let's keep up the good work.
If you invite retaliatory violence how does that ever stop violence? It’s a serious question and an important one if you are taking that stance.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostYou are missing it, tone isnt coming through how it’s intended. This isn’t a personal attack it’s a disagreement of how your plan can work.
If you invite retaliatory violence how does that ever stop violence? It’s a serious question and an important one if you are taking that stance.
Again, I disagree. If you hurt me and I kill you-{just an example}-It's over. What continues and does not depends on circumstance. It's a fact some respond to warm fuzzies, others to a kick in the ass. Cops know force, the respect force or the threat of it. Why do you think NOTHING has happened to any of the BLM protestors who have been armed while marching? It's not a coincidence. Cops are NOT going to stop their tactics anytime soon, no matter what is said or done--so in the meantime give some of the oppressed some justice and assuage their pain.
You can disagree if you like, but I feel I am right and you won't be changing my mind on this.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostThen please don't call me naïve.
Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostAgain, I disagree. If you hurt me and I kill you-{just an example}-It's over.
Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostWhat continues and does not depends on circumstance. It's a fact some respond to warm fuzzies, others to a kick in the ass. Cops know force, the respect force or the threat of it.
Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostWhy do you think NOTHING has happened to any of the BLM protestors who have been armed while marching? It's not a coincidence.
And the excuse for many police shootings has been "because I thought he had a weapon".
No, ambushing cops doesn't decrease violence, that's a false equivalence.
Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostCops are NOT going to stop their tactics anytime soon, no matter what is said or done
Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post--so in the meantime give some of the oppressed some justice and assuage their pain.
Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostYou can disagree if you like, but I feel I am right and you won't be changing my mind on this.
Again, I support your cause overall obviously, but you're wrong on the response.
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I think if 2020 saw as many "innocent" police officers killed as we normally see police kill innocent people in any given year, you'd probably see the police negotiating how they can appease the cop killers. I mean, police can't continue escalating violence endlessly, as we've seen there are limits to what some cities are willing to endure. At some point the mayor or whoever can snap the purse shut and force them to make cuts.
So violence isn't necessarily pointless. In fact, mass violence is often the tipping point to create great change. In Australia and Canada, we've both responded to mass shootings by banning assault weapons. These laws would not have been implemented if not for the massacres that preceded their passing.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostI think if 2020 saw as many "innocent" police officers killed as we normally see police kill innocent people in any given year, you'd probably see the police negotiating how they can appease the cop killers. I mean, police can't continue escalating violence endlessly, as we've seen there are limits to what some cities are willing to endure. At some point the mayor or whoever can snap the purse shut and force them to make cuts.
Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostSo violence isn't necessarily pointless. In fact, mass violence is often the tipping point to create great change. In Australia and Canada, we've both responded to mass shootings by banning assault weapons. These laws would not have been implemented if not for the massacres that preceded their passing.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostYou think so? After 5 officers were shot in 2016 in Dallas things have been better? Not seeing it.
Not sure that's the best analogy, there have been record numbers of mass shootings in the US and it seems to only escalate.
I'm not 100% sure of what would happen if violence escalated beyond proportions we can currently fathom. But neither can you say with any certainty that violence only leads to more violence.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostKen, you misrepresent what I just said. I said "as many police officers killed as we normally see police kill innocent people" You think all police in America only kill 5 innocent people per year? Let me be more specific, if 1000 officers were killed, do you think it would lead to zero reform? We saw the mass outpouring of sympathy for 5 officers killed (my town had a coffee shop respond by giving all LEO's FREE COOKIES after Dallas, and I'm not even residing in your broken shithole country). Imagine the public response to 1000 officers being killed. Would the public seek to increase violence... against themselves? You think police would continue to escalate violence without instead thinking maybe instead of defending themselves, they could DEFUND themselves, as those who seek to harm them are demanding, and lower the level of danger they face? You think NOT ONE police authority would decide to listen to that level of public pressure?
I'm not 100% sure of what would happen if violence escalated beyond proportions we can currently fathom. But neither can you say with any certainty that violence only leads to more violence.
Now, that doesn't mean that I think the current system is working or defensible in any sense. It's absolutely appalling that our justice system is so geared toward protecting what is obviously a very corrupt profession. I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I hate cops, all of them, and have since a young. There were no cops among my family or family friends to act as positive role models. I've encountered a few who weren't complete douchebag assholes, but most were. So, we are in agreement that significant reform is absolutely required. But that reform will go nowhere if violent attacks against cops sharply increase. To pretend otherwise is ridiculous.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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Originally posted by DMT View PostYep, just like we stopped invading and killing people in the Middle East after 9/11. The only violence that doesn't lead to "more" violence is annihilation like WW2. And the more is obviously in quotes for a reason. You guys are honestly totally delusional if you think attacking random cops is going to reduce violence. It's totally illogical.
Now, that doesn't mean that I think the current system is working or defensible in any sense. It's absolutely appalling that our justice system is so geared toward protecting what is obviously a very corrupt profession. I know this isn't a popular opinion, but I hate cops, all of them, and have since a young. There were no cops among my family or family friends to act as positive role models. I've encountered a few who weren't complete douchebag assholes, but most were. So, we are in agreement that significant reform is absolutely required. But that reform will go nowhere if violent attacks against cops sharply increase. To pretend otherwise is ridiculous.
Again, I'm not advocating for violence against police. What I'm saying is, if 5 Dallas cops getting shot resulted in Canadian coffee shops giving cops free cookies, what would the ripple effect be from 1000 cops being killed on the job? I cannot say for sure, and neither can you. Pretending you know exactly how that would play out, that seems ridiculous to me.
Police in Calgary voluntarily cut their own budgets to comply with the will of the people, and we didn't even have to kill any cops. I'm not dreaming anything, I'm watching changes happen in real time when enough public pressure is applied. It seems there is no amount of public pressure to force US cops to de-militarize and defund. But you haven't seen the pressure that results from 1000 dead cops, so don't pretend you know exactly how it would play out. Couldn't possibly be worse than the results of peaceful protest where the right wing rallies behind those who murder protestors. How could anything be worse than the status quo, where there exists an illusion of lawfulness being upheld and those abused by police are spat on by both the left and the right? Biden wants to expand police funding and calls protestors anarchists, so he fucking sucks on the issue. There is nothing to hold onto but the violence in the streets leading to change. If cops are killed without cause, thats bad, but if their deaths lead to police adopting alternative policies, thats good. Seems like simple math to me.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostKen, you misrepresent what I just said. I said "as many police officers killed as we normally see police kill innocent people" You think all police in America only kill 5 innocent people per year?
Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostLet me be more specific, if 1000 officers were killed, do you think it would lead to zero reform?
Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostWe saw the mass outpouring of sympathy for 5 officers killed (my town had a coffee shop respond by giving all LEO's FREE COOKIES after Dallas
Originally posted by Teenwolf View Post, and I'm not even residing in your broken shithole country). Imagine the public response to 1000 officers being killed.
Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostWould the public seek to increase violence... against themselves?
Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostYou think police would continue to escalate violence without instead thinking maybe instead of defending themselves
Originally posted by Teenwolf View Post, they could DEFUND themselves, as those who seek to harm them are demanding, and lower the level of danger they face?
Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostYou think NOT ONE police authority would decide to listen to that level of public pressure?
Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostI'm not 100% sure of what would happen if violence escalated beyond proportions we can currently fathom. But neither can you say with any certainty that violence only leads to more violence.
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These perspectives on the left advocating for violence to fight violence is a good reminder that the path to hell is paved with good intentions, and it isn't just the right that believes such things. Convictions fueled by righteousness and the firm belief that bad acts are justified by noble ends is a story as old as history. We see it in every horror humanity has ever committed.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostNo you misunderstood. The 1000 has never happened obviously, but 5 have in Dallas which is a reasonable comparison on a smaller scale and Dallas didn't change (if you think it did, talk to Botham Jean)
The idea of killing 1000 officers is gross.
So did it work? All these people respond, did that violence work? What did it solve?
If I try to imagine that, I can only imagine the hate and anger that would bring - we see it today.
Sorry that makes no sense.
You don't see that happening now? Every time the police shoot someone the immediate feedback is that they were defending themselves so they shot first and asked questions later. You know this.
If you think they would just defund themselves then you haven't been paying attention at all to the public conversation.
To pressure sure, to violence, no absolutely not. They'd arm themselves more and shoot even quicker.
You aren't sure what happens, but hell lets just kill 1000 people. Great idea. Genius I tell you.
You literally took a quote of mine and cut it in mid-sentence, then critiqued each half of my statement individually. You are such a fucking dishonest debater.
Where did I say "let's just kill 1000 people"? Why would anybody debate someone like you?
"Genius, genius I tell you" as a response to something I didn't fucking say!Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostThese perspectives on the left advocating for violence to fight violence is a good reminder that the path to hell is paved with good intentions, and it isn't just the right that believes such things. Convictions fueled by righteousness and the firm belief that bad acts are justified by noble ends is a story as old as history. We see it in every horror humanity has ever committed.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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