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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostLibertarians don't want to just cut the frivolous stuff, they want to cut things I think we need to do as a society. We need to do them efficiently, for sure. But we need to do them.
B. Please let me know a few things the government administers efficiently. Or better yet, a couple things the government has stopped doing because they are inefficient.
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Originally posted by In the Corn View PostJJ, I understand what you're saying. And yes, we have to live with the decisions that we make. Where do you draw the line of living today vs. living tomorrow?
I don't think it is unrealistic to expect to travel for 10 days every year? It's not over the top to take some vacation for both mental and physical well-being. Masher's wife, IMO, isn't asking too much.
As for their pursuit of PhD's, were do we draw the line in fulfillment of life? Perhaps they could have stopped at a Master's but then maybe they couldn't teach at the university which is their passion?
Sometime the sacrifice of money, security and knowing I can have the winter house in AZ, just don't mean enough to me, and others to slog through life completely unfulfilled.
I also think those who paint with a broad brush of, I live tight, you should too, don't take into account that some people have different lives. Some people have more medical expenses, or child care expenses, or need to help others in their family that need money to stay off the streets. Not everyone making the same amount of money as the same amount of baseline, non-frivolous expenses.Last edited by Sour Masher; 01-24-2019, 02:34 PM.
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Originally posted by In the Corn View PostJJ, I understand what you're saying. And yes, we have to live with the decisions that we make. Where do you draw the line of living today vs. living tomorrow?
I don't think it is unrealistic to expect to travel for 10 days every year? It's not over the top to take some vacation for both mental and physical well-being. Masher's wife, IMO, isn't asking too much.
As for their pursuit of PhD's, were do we draw the line in fulfillment of life? Perhaps they could have stopped at a Master's but then maybe they couldn't teach at the university which is their passion?
Sometime the sacrifice of money, security and knowing I can have the winter house in AZ, just don't mean enough to me, and others to slog through life completely unfulfilled.
just a matter of priorities. my parents didn't fly us anywhere, but we did drive places on vacation.
the other sacrifices they made were so that they could pay for their children's college costs. that, to them, was a far bigger priority than most discretionary spending.
I suspect there are a lot of young adults out there who wish their parents had made far different choices on how to allocate money as they grew up, given the size of their college loans since their parents couldn't afford to help them with those bills.
anyway, I appreciate the feedback - I realize I'm kind of hugging the third rail with this.....finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
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Originally posted by nots View PostA. Things you think we need to do as a society, not necessarily things we Libertarians think we need to do as a society.
B. Please let me know a few things the government administers efficiently. Or better yet, a couple things the government has stopped doing because they are inefficient.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostYeah, all of this. I'm more ant, my wife is ore grasshopper. I think we meet in the middle and don't live over the top. We pay at on for what I think of as necessities. We pay 25k a year for daycare right now. I do bristle at the notion that I'm hurting my kids with out spending habits. They live better now because of our spending--we buy them better food, a better place to live, better schools to go to. I accept we are making decisions that balance short term gains vs long term gains for them, but most decisions we make that cost a lot of money directly impact them, and a lot of the money we spend now positively impacts them in the short term.
I also think those who paint with a broad brush of, I live tight, you should too, don't take into account that some people have different lives. Some people have more medical expenses, or child care expenses, or need to help others in their family that need money to stay off the streets. Not everyone making the same amount of money as the same amount of baseline, non-frivolous expenses.
That $100, if Mrs. ITC is working, would really pinch us for the month. It's a $100, it should be difficult, but it is."Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
- Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane
i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
- nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostI think medicare is done okay. I've seen how it is done in the private sector with insurance companies, and medicare is more efficient in many ways. So, health care. It can be improved, but it does a lot of good for a lot of people. And yes, I'm aware my thoughts are different from libertarians on what a society needs. I respect those differences of opinions, but it is what keeps me as a D rather than an L. In my perfect world, the R party would be very much an L party, because I think the healthy push and pull is between progressivism, which may go too far sometimes in its single-minded pursuit to help all, and Libertarianism, with its pure pursuit of less government. The R party has so much ore baggage, with the neo-con stuff, the religious stuff, the fear/hate stuff. I think progressivism needs Libertarian push back, and Libertarianism needs progressive push back.
Private insurance pays more ($1.12 i believe) to hospitals, allowing them to accept Medicare and remain viable. The reason Medicare is ‘successful’ is because of the private insurance industry— the one the Blue Team is trying to do away with.
But let’s say for arguments sake, I give you that one( I really don’t). Can you tell me something the government has stopped funding because it’s ineffective?Last edited by nots; 01-24-2019, 02:47 PM.
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Originally posted by gcstomp View Posthttp://governmentisgood.com/articles.php?aid=7
Counter argument. Govt is not the enemy, and supports programs that are very succesful as outlined. Its not all keystone cops bungling.
Hard to take an article seriously that proclaims Social Security as an example of good government. Barring a change in the way it’s run now, their will be a 23% reduction in benefits in 2034 due to a shortfall. The Dems refuse to address this and often demonize the GOP when they bring up its potential insolvency.
It’s a great idea and has been a benefit to many over the years, but it is on life support now
BTW-posting a blog from a Professor of Politics at Mt Holyoke college isn’t going to move the needle too much with a lot us. I wouldn’t post an article from a fellow at a Libertarian think tank and say ‘see, my side is right!’.Last edited by nots; 01-24-2019, 02:56 PM.
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Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostI get it.
just a matter of priorities. my parents didn't fly us anywhere, but we did drive places on vacation.
the other sacrifices they made were so that they could pay for their children's college costs. that, to them, was a far bigger priority than most discretionary spending.
Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostI suspect there are a lot of young adults out there who wish their parents had made far different choices on how to allocate money as they grew up, given the size of their college loans since their parents couldn't afford to help them with those bills.
anyway, I appreciate the feedback - I realize I'm kind of hugging the third rail with this.....
To be frank, I'm worth more dead to Mrs. ITC than I am alive. I have a decent life insurance policy. It's not going to set her up to eat bon-bons the rest of her life, but it will give her some freedom. I've told her, "If I die, cremate my body, take the insurance and pay off the house. You'll have enough to live on for the next 2-3 years, after that you're on your own or find another man."Last edited by In the Corn; 01-24-2019, 02:59 PM."Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
- Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane
i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
- nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.
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Originally posted by nots View PostHard to take an article seriously that proclaims Social Security as an example of good government. Barring a change in the way it’s run now, their will be a 23% reduction in benefits in 2034 due to a shortfall. The Dems refuse to address this and often demonize the GOP when they bring up its potential insolvency.
It’s a great idea and has been a benefit to many over the years, but it is on life support nowIt is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Out of that list, I dont want to defend SS as the gold standard of govt efficiency, but even in its wasteful broken state.... "About 62 million people, or more than 1 in every 6 U.S. residents, collected Social Security benefits in June 2018. . The Social Security Administration estimates that 21% of married couples and 43% of single seniors rely on Social Security for 90% or more of their income". Literally millions of people would have nothing without SS.
That said, some big changes have to happen with SS, and sooner than later.
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Originally posted by nots View PostMedicare pays on average 87 cents to a hospital for $1 treatment. (https://www.aha.org/data-insights/20...er-2017-update)
Private insurance pays more ($1.12 i believe) to hospitals, allowing them to accept Medicare and remain viable. The reason Medicare is ‘successful’ is because of the private insurance industry— the one the Blue Team is trying to do away with.
But let’s say for arguments sake, I give you that one( I really don’t). Can you tell me something the government has stopped funding because it’s ineffective?
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Originally posted by gcstomp View PostOut of that list, I dont want to defend SS as the gold standard of govt efficiency, but even in its wasteful broken state.... "About 62 million people, or more than 1 in every 6 U.S. residents, collected Social Security benefits in June 2018. . The Social Security Administration estimates that 21% of married couples and 43% of single seniors rely on Social Security for 90% or more of their income". Literally millions of people would have nothing without SS.
That said, some big changes have to happen with SS, and sooner than later.
Again, it was a good idea back when the average life expectancy was 67, but now it’s a Ponzi scheme. I hope next time the GOP wants look at ways of making it solvent, you won’t be one of the ones screaming about how they want to steal your money and cut your benefits.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostI worked in a hospital for a number of years. Part of that was working patient accounts. All those numbers are gamed. Actual costs of treatment is a moving target, manipulated by hospitals and doctors to get as much as they can from whoever they are dealing with. The Medicare pay rate is pretty fair and sustainable, and there are other things not factored in, like how much longer some private insurances take to pay than medicare, and the resources needed to collect. Some carriers, Avmed being one, if my memory serves, took many wasted man hours of calling and follow up to ensure proper and timely payment.
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