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Libertarianism and the balance between individual rights and anti-interventionism
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It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostDMT -
I have not ever denied any of the things that you mentioned above. There is no incessant denial of what occurred. I honestly believe that those words can and should be applied to everyone in this country. We - all citizens of this country - should be able to partake in the Liberty that was one of the ideals of the Founding Fathers.
The more times we ask government to run our lives the less liberty we have.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostWithout government the rich would take everything. Look at how much they've taken with government. This is all perfectly acceptable to you of course because every dollar should be treated the same. Except for capital gains of course because...LIBERTY!
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostI would love to see him run as the Libertarian from the get go. Otherwise it just looks like an expedient way to stay in the race.
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Originally posted by nots View PostMost of the world treats capital gains different than ordinary income. Doesn’t make it right, but we are far from alone in how do it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_gains_tax
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Originally posted by DMT View PostWithout government the rich would take everything. Look at how much they've taken with government. This is all perfectly acceptable to you of course because every dollar should be treated the same. Except for capital gains of course because...LIBERTY!
Originally posted by baldgriff View PostAll earned income should be taxed at the same rate. I dont care how you "earned/made" it - tax it all at the same level. "Capital Gains" is money earned - by wise investing, but why tax it differently. Dividends and Interest are also an income stream - tax it likewise.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostWhy is it that you continue to misstate what I actually believe when we have had the discussion. As you can see I was very clear in the "Economic, taxes and tariffs discussion:
I absolutely DO NOT BELIEVE capital gains should be treated any different. Thanks for playing!If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostSorry, I confused that position with the billionth dollar earned should be taxed the same as the first.
and then allow for multiple ways to lower your earned income - so that you can exempt income from being taxed or at least reduced. Peter giving to Paul......It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostYep - every dollar earned should be taxed the same. You just want to take more from someone because they managed to make more..... no matter how they made it.
and then allow for multiple ways to lower your earned income - so that you can exempt income from being taxed or at least reduced. Peter giving to Paul......
As for your tax position, income inequality continues to rise so let's lower taxes on rich people. Makes perfect sense. WRONG. It's absolutely absurd and the fact that you continue to openly state your support for it shows how you don't even recognize how ridiculous you sound.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostI've never voiced support for the ridiculous loopholes that allow rich people to avoid taxes but thanks for trying.
As for your tax position, income inequality continues to rise so let's lower taxes on rich people. Makes perfect sense. WRONG. It's absolutely absurd and the fact that you continue to openly state your support for it shows how you don't even recognize how ridiculous you sound.
You can call me ridiculous - and honestly I dont care! Im consistent and see no reason that every dollar made/earned shouldnt be taxed in the same manner.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostIf you support Capital Gains being taxed at a lower rate (which I assume that you do - based on your flame of me above) then you support some loopholes as to minimizing income or lowering tax responsibility based on how the money is earned. In fact - if you support Capital Gains being charged a lower tax rate than Earned Income you are giving the Rich (who take everything) a leg up on those that dont have the means to take advantage of Capital Gains.
You can call me ridiculous - and honestly I dont care! Im consistent and see no reason that every dollar made/earned shouldnt be taxed in the same manner.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostWhy would I support capital gains being taxed at a lower rate? I know you don't care, I only respond to make sure that you never mistake silence for acquiescence.
Or do you feel that Capital Gains should be taxed at a Higher Rate - since only the rich people get it?
Edit to add: Im not looking for acquiescence or anything like that. I want an honest exchange of ideas with the intent to understand why one feels or holds a certain position. I also hope to find areas of agreement - so that those are places to build on.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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I would be fine with increasing rates to match income as a starting point. A Wall St transaction tax is also solely needed.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostI would be fine with increasing rates to match income as a starting point. A Wall St transaction tax is also solely needed.
Please define Wall St tax. Im not familiar with that term.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostSo Income and Capital Gains taxed at the same rates?
Please define Wall St tax. Im not familiar with that term.
If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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