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Libertarianism and the balance between individual rights and anti-interventionism
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Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostI'd probably divide this question into military interventions and non-military interventions. Successful US military interventions:
WWI
WWII
Korea
Kuwait
Haiti
Bosnia
Kosovo
Afghanistan? (debatable)
Kurdistan? (debatable)
But certainly none of those were "incredible failures in nearly every regard".
One could argue that WWII and Afghanistan don't count because they were only initiated following direct attacks on the US homeland, but I think the others count, no?
As for successful interventions in the form of diplomacy, foreign aid, or the prospect of military defense, etc, there are too many to count. The Marshall Plan, The Cold War and NATO ultimately helped lead to the greater freedom and quality of life in much of Europe, no? We also helped South Korea and Japan to become thriving democracies and economies. Our foreign aid and support has helped Colombia become much better for its people (and the world). We've had a lot of success mitigating health crises in Sub-Saharan Africa, including AIDS and malaria.
So I guess we more or less agree on foreign aid aspects, but I'm apparently a much tougher grader and have a strong recency bias. Amending my claim --Pretty much every military intervention in the 21st century has been a complete disaster while costing trillions of dollars.---------------------------------------------
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John Mearsheimer's new book, The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realities might be of interest.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostJohn Mearsheimer's new book, The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realities might be of interest.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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To bad he wont run as a Libertarian, but Im sure he left there with a bad taste after Johnson's inability to just talk sometimes.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostTo bad he wont run as a Libertarian, but Im sure he left there with a bad taste after Johnson's inability to just talk sometimes.
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I would love to see him run as the Libertarian from the get go. Otherwise it just looks like an expedient way to stay in the race.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostI would love to see him run as the Libertarian from the get go. Otherwise it just looks like an expedient way to stay in the race.
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Liberty - the one pillar that it seems is most often forgotten by BOTH parties.
lib·er·ty
/ˈlibərdē/
noun
1.
the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostLiberty - the one pillar that it seems is most often forgotten by BOTH parties.
lib·er·ty
/ˈlibərdē/
noun
1.
the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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How about the liberty of all the victims of the wars we've been fighting for the past 240 years?If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostThis country was founded on denying the liberty of Native Americans, African slaves, and women. Your incessant denial of our history and focus on a piece of paper is incredible.
I have not ever denied any of the things that you mentioned above. There is no incessant denial of what occurred. I honestly believe that those words can and should be applied to everyone in this country. We - all citizens of this country - should be able to partake in the Liberty that was one of the ideals of the Founding Fathers.
The more times we ask government to run our lives the less liberty we have.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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