FWIW, I have a white female friend who refused to vote for Clinton despite my persistent encouragement and highlighting Sanders' eventual endorsement. I hope she and people in the #neverHillary set will not pull the same BS if a centrist candidate is the nominee...Trump has been a bitter lesson in political pouting but it remains to be seen whether they have learned it.
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Originally posted by DMT View PostFWIW, I have a white female friend who refused to vote for Clinton despite my persistent encouragement and highlighting Sanders' eventual endorsement. I hope she and people in the #neverHillary set will not pull the same BS if a centrist candidate is the nominee...Trump has been a bitter lesson in political pouting but it remains to be seen whether they have learned it.Last edited by Sour Masher; 02-21-2019, 05:31 PM.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostI agree completely. I really, really hope the lesson has been learned. Same goes the there way. If a progressive is the nom, I hope all the centrists get behind the cadidate.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostWhat is opened ended about it? I meant to suggest he does not understand or show he cares specifically about the specific issues that face Black and Latinx Americans. They are not part of his lived experience, and I don't fault him for that. I think his heart is in the right place and his policies would have a positive impact on most Americans, including POC. But out of touch and clueless seem like apt descriptors for him on this issue to me given how he has articulated his messages to that demographic to date. I think the numbers show that so far. It doesn't mean that won't change or he can't win those voters over.
In University, he became the chairman of CORE (Congress for Racial Equality). He helped lead the first known sit-in at the University of Chicago, where 33 students camped outside the President's office to protest segregated housing on campus. Attended the 1963 march on Washington with Martin Luther King Jr. When black children in Chicago were segregated, and placed into bug-infested trailers with no heat or A/C, Bernie was arrested for protesting the injustice. That's the famous picture of him being dragged off in Buddy Holly glasses, probably when Buddy Holly was still alive. If you think he did it for political purposes and doesn't believe in the cause... that's a hell of a long con he's playing. He's already turning the corner. Recently on CNN regarding kneeling: "Let's not worry about the politics of what's going on. Let's talk about why the players are doing what they're doing. We have communities now where kids are being picked up for smoking marijuana, getting police records, which makes it difficult for them to get the jobs that they need. What the players are talking about is the need for criminal justice reform - the need for police department reform." I think black voters want someone with policies like this, not someone with a track record like Harris who claims she smoked weed a long time ago, and used to listen to 2Pac.
Aside from his policy planks that address racial injustice directly (legalize marijuana, end private prisons, prison reform, $15/hr min. wage), I think Bernie's huge array of POC endorsements will also help with his image problem. AOC, Cardi B, Kaepernick, Kareem, plus a lot of the hollywood lefties will endorse him. Spike Lee, Rosario Dawson... Shaun King, Ta-Nehisi Coates have both said good things in the past, Maya Angelou could jump on board... There will be a ton of support from POC, I believe.
But I'm also married to a black woman who is somewhat skeptical of Bernie, so I recognize that he needs to be a tiny bit self-indulgent this time around, focusing on his history as an advocate for equality dating back to his early political activism. He needs to fight his impulse to hammer away with policy and focus a tiny bit on identity politics to satisfy the masses.
VP picks: Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard, Stacy Abrams.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by TS Garp View PostAre you predicting or suggesting?
Here is an article that touches on some of them: https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-co...-for-president
I should add, it isn't her fault that Tucker Carlson and David Duke seem to love her, but, well, they aren't endorsements folks on the left hold in high esteem.Last edited by Sour Masher; 02-21-2019, 07:44 PM.
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It's great that so many of us are in mixed race marriages. I think my wife said 1 in 5 children born in the US this year were mixed.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostIt's great that so many of us are in mixed race marriages. I think my wife said 1 in 5 children born in the US this year were mixed.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostYeah, I've noticed before--there is a surprising number of us on these boards. I dig how common it is getting. My wife and I have been together for two decades. There were times, early on especially, that we felt kinda weird--assumed separate checks and other awkwardness. My mother actually cautioned against my dating her at first, cuz "think of the children." I don't notice those things as much now.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl...197-story.htmlLast edited by Sour Masher; 02-21-2019, 07:21 PM.
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That's horrific, glad justice was served at least.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by TS Garp View PostAre you predicting or suggesting?Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostI mostly agree that his campaign messaging from 2016 didn't focus specifically enough on addressing POC, as Bernie himself has admitted, and promised to remedy in 2020. However, to say that POC are "not part of his lived experience" is absurd.
In University, he became the chairman of CORE (Congress for Racial Equality). He helped lead the first known sit-in at the University of Chicago, where 33 students camped outside the President's office to protest segregated housing on campus. Attended the 1963 march on Washington with Martin Luther King Jr. When black children in Chicago were segregated, and placed into bug-infested trailers with no heat or A/C, Bernie was arrested for protesting the injustice. That's the famous picture of him being dragged off in Buddy Holly glasses, probably when Buddy Holly was still alive. If you think he did it for political purposes and doesn't believe in the cause... that's a hell of a long con he's playing. He's already turning the corner. Recently on CNN regarding kneeling: "Let's not worry about the politics of what's going on. Let's talk about why the players are doing what they're doing. We have communities now where kids are being picked up for smoking marijuana, getting police records, which makes it difficult for them to get the jobs that they need. What the players are talking about is the need for criminal justice reform - the need for police department reform." I think black voters want someone with policies like this, not someone with a track record like Harris who claims she smoked weed a long time ago, and used to listen to 2Pac.
Aside from his policy planks that address racial injustice directly (legalize marijuana, end private prisons, prison reform, $15/hr min. wage), I think Bernie's huge array of POC endorsements will also help with his image problem. AOC, Cardi B, Kaepernick, Kareem, plus a lot of the hollywood lefties will endorse him. Spike Lee, Rosario Dawson... Shaun King, Ta-Nehisi Coates have both said good things in the past, Maya Angelou could jump on board... There will be a ton of support from POC, I believe.
But I'm also married to a black woman who is somewhat skeptical of Bernie, so I recognize that he needs to be a tiny bit self-indulgent this time around, focusing on his history as an advocate for equality dating back to his early political activism. He needs to fight his impulse to hammer away with policy and focus a tiny bit on identity politics to satisfy the masses.
VP picks: Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard, Stacy Abrams.---------------------------------------------
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostWould be interesting to hear some thoughts on Harris and how her policies have affected POC.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostShe obviously faces an uphill battle based on initial wariness of her record. But as we have learned based on who has won primaries and elections, it isn't as much about what you've done or not done, but how you sell yourself to voters (that isn't praise of how things are, just recognition of it). We'll see how well she can sell herself to various constituents.---------------------------------------------
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Bernie's ears are burning, I imagine, as he appears live with Chris Hayes on MSNBC right now.
says his 2016 campaign leadership WAS too male and too white, but just look at this team now.
says he is "deeply saddened" to hear reports of sexual harassment within that campaign, is taking all the needed safeguards, and so on...finished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1
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