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  • Sour Masher
    MVP
    • Jan 2011
    • 10425

    Originally posted by madducks
    Our expectations for presidential candidates have become too high. I blame Obama.
    How very presidential of you.

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    • cardboardbox
      MVP
      • Jan 2011
      • 20123

      Originally posted by Sour Masher
      PBS interviewed 62 former female staffers and 74 staffers overall and not a single one they contacted said they experienced sexual harassment or misconduct from Joe Biden.
      and yet he is one of the most likely politicians to have done this.
      "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

      "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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      • cardboardbox
        MVP
        • Jan 2011
        • 20123

        Originally posted by nots
        Maybe I should run for the Libertarian nomination. They are kind of running out of candidates.
        Yes! I mostly care about judges so I probably wouldnt vote for you, sorry. But it would be nice to have a normal human being with a functioning brain and non-socialist positions in the race.
        "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

        "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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        • Teenwolf
          Journeyman
          • Jan 2011
          • 3850

          Originally posted by cardboardbox
          Yes! I mostly care about judges so I probably wouldnt vote for you, sorry. But it would be nice to have a normal human being with a functioning brain and non-socialist positions in the race.
          Socialism is the CDC, corona testing and treatment, schooling, etc. You want to end social programs in the middle of a pandemic?

          That's fucking idiotic. Good luck running on that platform though.
          Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."

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          • GwynnInTheHall
            All Star
            • Jan 2011
            • 9214

            Originally posted by cardboardbox
            and yet he is one of the most likely politicians to have done this.
            Wrong.

            Being a hugger, toucher and openly affectionate does not equate to harassment unless the person is informed that their manner is unwelcome and yet they continue.

            Many people, including myself, use their hands when they talk. They touch to emphasize points and communicate things like empathy, compassion and understanding.

            You may not, but many do. And yes if you are a don't touch me kind of person, which is totally understandable, it can be uncomfortable, seem strange or creepy.

            However to automatically equate this behavior with sexual intent without further evidence is short sighted.

            I'm not saying I don't believe Reade, but I haven't convicted Biden yet either.

            Like I said before, they need to give the woman a chance to prove her accusation, then respond appropriately.
            If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

            Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
            Martin Luther King, Jr.

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            • nots
              Journeyman
              • Jan 2011
              • 2907

              Originally posted by cardboardbox
              Yes! I mostly care about judges so I probably wouldnt vote for you, sorry. But it would be nice to have a normal human being with a functioning brain and non-socialist positions in the race.
              My resume:
              I have never been accused of sexual harrassment and/or rape.
              I have never declared bankruptcy 6 times to avoid paying people.
              I don’t have a home brew server in my bathroom so conversations about my yoga plans are secure.
              I don’t have Twitter.
              I’m not rapidly rushing towards senility.

              My platform:
              I won’t pal around with brutal dictators.
              I won’t pick a fight with every reporter who asks a tough question.
              My kids won’t be on the board with any foreign corporations earning millions for no show jobs.
              I won’t drone bomb weddings in the Middle East.
              At the end of my term, I won’t manufacture a crisis to sabotage the next President.

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              • frae
                Journeyman
                • Jan 2011
                • 4271

                A couple of changes from Cook Political.

                Georgia now has both its senate races as lean R as the Perdue race moves from Likely to lean. A few polls have shown that race tightening and it now becomes the 9th senate seat that Republicans will defend that are in the Lean or tossup range where Democrats have the Jones race as a lean R and Peters in MI as a Lean D. I think Montana and Iowa may well wind up true tossups going into election day. Democrats may not win the senate but they have a lot more ways to do it this time than in 2018.



                Trump and Biden were within 1 point in a recent poll but Cook has not moved it to a tossup yet and explained more here. Personally, Georgia won't be the tipping point in 2020 but gains in Georgia and Texas matter long term as pushing two states that have been reliably red for decades to purple would open up the electoral map.



                Unlikely to mean anything just like Mitch being in a Likely and not safe state, but Harrison is doing a good job trying make a race of this against Graham.

                Last edited by frae; 05-17-2020, 06:10 PM.

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                • cardboardbox
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 20123

                  Originally posted by nots
                  My resume:
                  I have never been accused of sexual harrassment and/or rape.
                  I have never declared bankruptcy 6 times to avoid paying people.
                  I don’t have a home brew server in my bathroom so conversations about my yoga plans are secure.
                  I don’t have Twitter.
                  I’m not rapidly rushing towards senility.

                  My platform:
                  I won’t pal around with brutal dictators.
                  I won’t pick a fight with every reporter who asks a tough question.
                  My kids won’t be on the board with any foreign corporations earning millions for no show jobs.
                  I won’t drone bomb weddings in the Middle East.
                  At the end of my term, I won’t manufacture a crisis to sabotage the next President.
                  Well, its a start!

                  Are you more likely to nominate judges like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh or Sotomayor and Kagan?
                  "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

                  "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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                  • Teenwolf
                    Journeyman
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 3850

                    Originally posted by nots
                    My resume:
                    I have never been accused of sexual harrassment and/or rape.
                    I have never declared bankruptcy 6 times to avoid paying people.
                    I don’t have a home brew server in my bathroom so conversations about my yoga plans are secure.
                    I don’t have Twitter.
                    I’m not rapidly rushing towards senility.

                    My platform:
                    I won’t pal around with brutal dictators.
                    I won’t pick a fight with every reporter who asks a tough question.
                    My kids won’t be on the board with any foreign corporations earning millions for no show jobs.
                    I won’t drone bomb weddings in the Middle East.
                    At the end of my term, I won’t manufacture a crisis to sabotage the next President.
                    Since CBB is just a troll unwilling to back up his bullshit, I'll ask you. I agree with everything you listed above, but most of it is pretty low-bar personal stuff which most ordinary people could pass under. Nothing mentioned about the budget.

                    How does Libertarianism function during this pandemic? Would you slash government funding for the response? Would you further privatize health care and education and continue to deny the public necessity of M4A? No more lockdown I guess, since people will need to work without any social safety net, right? Bailouts for devastated industries? Would the millions of people who received testing or medical care for Covid be covered for that care? Or would they pay the "fair market rate"? How would you handle the Michigan protesters showing up with no masks, coughing in the faces of public servants with assault rifles in hand? Libertarians are much more likely to support such idiocy, fighting against government intervention, even in a pandemic. (Am I wrong?) How would you get elected catering to these idiots' desire to remove gov't from their lives?

                    Covid-19 exposes Libertarianism for how completely unworkable it is. Prove me wrong.
                    Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."

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                    • nots
                      Journeyman
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 2907

                      Originally posted by Teenwolf
                      Since CBB is just a troll unwilling to back up his bullshit, I'll ask you. I agree with everything you listed above, but most of it is pretty low-bar personal stuff which most ordinary people could pass under. Nothing mentioned about the budget.

                      How does Libertarianism function during this pandemic? Would you slash government funding for the response? Would you further privatize health care and education and continue to deny the public necessity of M4A? No more lockdown I guess, since people will need to work without any social safety net, right? Bailouts for devastated industries? Would the millions of people who received testing or medical care for Covid be covered for that care? Or would they pay the "fair market rate"? How would you handle the Michigan protesters showing up with no masks, coughing in the faces of public servants with assault rifles in hand? Libertarians are much more likely to support such idiocy, fighting against government intervention, even in a pandemic. (Am I wrong?) How would you get elected catering to these idiots' desire to remove gov't from their lives?

                      Covid-19 exposes Libertarianism for how completely unworkable it is. Prove me wrong.
                      Yeah, I was making a joke, not actually making a run for the Libertarian nomination. Most of my views I have repeated ad nausem in here—no one needs to read them again.
                      To Quickly sum up as briefly as I can: I feel about your socialist leaning views how you feel about my libertarian views. Enjoy your day.

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                      • Teenwolf
                        Journeyman
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 3850

                        Originally posted by nots
                        Yeah, I was making a joke, not actually making a run for the Libertarian nomination. Most of my views I have repeated ad nausem in here—no one needs to read them again.
                        To Quickly sum up as briefly as I can: I feel about your socialist leaning views how you feel about my libertarian views. Enjoy your day.
                        You've never addressed what a disaster your views would result in during this pandemic. So I did it for you.

                        If you don't feel a need to refute my points in light of the new world we live in, then just ignore it and have a nice circle jerk with CBB.
                        Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."

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                        • nots
                          Journeyman
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 2907

                          Originally posted by Teenwolf
                          You've never addressed what a disaster your views would result in during this pandemic. So I did it for you.

                          If you don't feel a need to refute my points in light of the new world we live in, then just ignore it and have a nice circle jerk with CBB.
                          Ok, thanks for doing that!

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                          • Teenwolf
                            Journeyman
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 3850

                            Originally posted by nots
                            Ok, thanks for doing that!
                            You are pathetic.

                            Libertarians... why do I bother?
                            Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."

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                            • nots
                              Journeyman
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 2907

                              Originally posted by Teenwolf
                              You are pathetic.

                              Libertarians... why do I bother?
                              Ok, thanks again!
                              I guess we all have different definitions for pathetic. Mine would be spamming a message board in support of a two time failed Presidential candidate in a country where I can’t vote. Your mileage may vary.
                              Last edited by nots; 05-19-2020, 09:46 AM.

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                              • GwynnInTheHall
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 9214

                                Originally posted by nots
                                Ok, thanks again!
                                I guess we all have different definitions for pathetic. Mine would be spamming a message board in support of a two time failed Presidential candidate in a country where I can’t vote. Your mileage may vary.
                                He does have a point about CBB
                                If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                                Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                                Martin Luther King, Jr.

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