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  • frae
    Journeyman
    • Jan 2011
    • 4271

    Since I am bored today here is something we don't talk about a lot here, the 2020 senate race.

    The topsy-turvy Democratic primary for president dominated political news for the first two-and-a-half months of 2020 — and rightfully so, it was bonkers — but …




    These talks about how Cook and Crystal Ball have moved some races and how generally the senate chances are improving for Democrats. The seats to defend this cycle favors the Democrats as the Republicans are defending 23 seats to the Democrats 12. The bad news was of those 23 you would only say 1 or 2 are in blue states (is Maine blue or purple) and 2-3 are in purple states (again Maine). So that means 19 of the seats the Republicans are defending are in red states, there lean of red is different from light red Iowa to ruby red Oklahoma. Add to this that of the 12 seats the Democrats are holding 1 is almost a certain loss in Alabama with Doug Jones.

    So why do things look better today than maybe a year ago for Democrats? They are putting more states in play is the main reason. There are two states that Democrats need to win to start and that is Colorado and Arizona. Crystal Ball has moved them to lean Dem and they are races where the Democrats must win. I assume Hickenlooper wins the CO primary and Mark Kelly is running in the special election against the appointed Martha McSally who already lost statewide in 2018.

    So for the sake of my argument, I am going to give AL back to the Rep. and give AZ and CO to the Dem. That is a +1, but for control, the Dem need +3 and Biden or +4.

    The next two top targets are Maine and NC. Susan Collins's unfavorable ratings in her state have grown quite a bit in the last two years she was up to a 52% disapproval rating in January which is not good for an incumbent Sen. She is also going up against a solid candidate in Sara Gideon who was the speaker of the house in Maine. Tillis has in going to have a tough race against Cal Cunningham especially as areas of NC move bluer. These are two races where I want to see a lot of polling in these races as they are tossups right now.

    Ok so now we go into the area of leans one way or the other. The Democrats only have one lean race, Gary Peters in MI, John James is running against Peters. James lost in 2018 to Stabenow by about 6.5 points but is taking another shot. Polls have Peters up about 6 points.

    The Republicans have 4 leans to protect. The one that is most interesting to me is now Montana. Bullock is in the race and is popular in the state, his entry takes a dead race and moves it to lean with a chance to get to tossup before election day. Iowa is also interesting to look at as Jodi Ernst's approval rating has slipped from 57% to 47% in just over a year. There is no definite Dem nominee yet so I can't analyze that end yet.

    The other two leans are in GA and KS. Georgia is the seat that Kelly Loeffler is holding (to enhance her stock portfolio, maybe?). Could Kansas vote for a Democrat for the Senate? Well, Kris Kobach is running again after losing the Governors race to a Democrat in 2018. If Kobach wins the primary all bets are off because he has already shown he can lose a statewide race.

    Everything else is rated as likely or solid on both sides. So the path for the Democrats is win AZ - CO, lose AL because they are going to lose, and then pick up 2-3 from NC, Maine, Montana, Kansas, Iowa, or Georgia. Lots to play out still, but the Democrats have some actual outs this time because they can play offense.

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    • DMT
      MVP
      • Jan 2011
      • 12012

      Originally posted by nots
      But aside your hatred for Trump and let’s focus on Biden. On Feb 1, when Biden criticized Trump for halting arrivals from China, was that the right call or the wrong call? If Biden had allowed arrivals to continue, would more people have died or less? Just give an honest answer.
      And speaking of Iraq—- how come Obama and Sanders (among others) got that vote right and Biden didn’t?
      And lo and behold,...



      President Donald Trump restricted travel from China effective Feb. 2, which likely saved lives. But by the time the president acted, much of the damage had already been unleashed, and some 18,000 Americans returned home from China in February and March, after the restrictions were in place. It's unclear how intensive, if at all, the screening was for the Americans coming home at that point.

      ABC News examined data from December, January and February on travelers entering the U.S. from eight of the hardest-hit countries: 343,402 arrived from Italy, 418,848 from Spain and about 1.9 million more came from Britain.
      If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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      • nots
        Journeyman
        • Jan 2011
        • 2907

        Originally posted by DMT
        Not sure what you are going for her...in post 5183, I said ‘Trump got it right(albeit late)’. Biden was against this move, even at that late date.
        Even for the link you posted ‘likely saved lives’.

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        • DMT
          MVP
          • Jan 2011
          • 12012

          Originally posted by nots
          Not sure what you are going for her...in post 5183, I said ‘Trump got it right(albeit late)’. Biden was against this move, even at that late date.
          Even for the link you posted ‘likely saved lives’.
          And look at the numbers from other countries. Why did he take so long to close those down?
          If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
          - Terence McKenna

          Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

          How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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          • nots
            Journeyman
            • Jan 2011
            • 2907

            Originally posted by DMT
            And look at the numbers from other countries. Why did he take so long to close those down?
            Who is arguing he did a good job?
            I’m arguing Biden was even more wrong in criticizing the decision to (finally) close off China and throwing out the ‘xenophobic’ comment as well. You seem to take any criticism of any Democrat as a tacit endorsement of Republicans. You went right to Cheney when I mentioned Iraq, now you want to switch over to criticizing Trump and get off talking about Biden. I don’t get it.

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            • fuhrdog
              All Star
              • Jun 2002
              • 5416

              Originally posted by nots
              Fair enough. I can listen to criticism of Trump for the next 6 months, but I’m not going to pretend Biden isn’t a deeply flawed candidate and I’m going to push back on a lot of his praise in the room here.
              If any of the "praise" is me calling him intelligent...I still feel he is compared to the alternative but I have said multiple times I'm not a big Biden fan...until it is between him and Trump. Give me something better and I'll gladly jump off the bandwagon of sorts.

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              • fuhrdog
                All Star
                • Jun 2002
                • 5416

                Originally posted by cardboardbox
                Surely you can see that right now in his current mental state, Biden is about ready to clock out. What exactly has he said lately that makes you think he's intelligent?
                My comments were about him being intelligent compared to Trump. What exactly has Trump done to make him so popular with you?

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                • cardboardbox
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 20123

                  Originally posted by fuhrdog
                  My comments were about him being intelligent compared to Trump. What exactly has Trump done to make him so popular with you?
                  Not be a democrat is pretty much all it takes for me to vote for Trump. And I'm not even a Trump fan, I still think he acts like a toddler and does things I dont agree with. He's just less bad than the other side.

                  Putting aside that I dont think Biden was ever intelligent, lets say you do think that. The current version is clearly losing his mind. I feel bad for him. He also makes me laugh. Its confusing.
                  "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

                  "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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                  • GwynnInTheHall
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 9214

                    Originally posted by cardboardbox
                    Not be a democrat is pretty much all it takes for me to vote for Trump. And I'm not even a Trump fan, I still think he acts like a toddler and does things I dont agree with. He's just less bad than the other side.

                    Putting aside that I dont think Biden was ever intelligent, lets say you do think that. The current version is clearly losing his mind. I feel bad for him. He also makes me laugh. Its confusing.
                    So what is it about being a democrat you find so repulsive that a guy like Trump is a better choice?
                    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                    Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                    • fuhrdog
                      All Star
                      • Jun 2002
                      • 5416

                      Originally posted by cardboardbox
                      He's just less bad than the other side.
                      This is why I don't spend a lot of time in political threads. Nobody is changing anybodys mind. I think Trump is easily the worst thing that has happened to the US in my lifetime so I guess we will just have to agree to completely disagree

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                      • Sour Masher
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 10425

                        Originally posted by fuhrdog
                        This is why I don't spend a lot of time in political threads. Nobody is changing anybodys mind. I think Trump is easily the worst thing that has happened to the US in my lifetime so I guess we will just have to agree to completely disagree
                        Well, I would have said that before COOVID-19. Even there, if you think we have had the worst response to this of any country, and you think that has a lot to do with Trump, it makes him even worse.

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                        • cardboardbox
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 20123

                          Originally posted by fuhrdog
                          This is why I don't spend a lot of time in political threads. Nobody is changing anybodys mind. I think Trump is easily the worst thing that has happened to the US in my lifetime so I guess we will just have to agree to completely disagree
                          He's easily the best president in my voting lifetime. I've only been voting since 2000 though, maybe a better one will come along some day!
                          "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

                          "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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                          • fuhrdog
                            All Star
                            • Jun 2002
                            • 5416

                            Originally posted by cardboardbox
                            He's easily the best president in my voting lifetime. I've only been voting since 2000 though, maybe a better one will come along some day!

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                            • cardboardbox
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 20123

                              Originally posted by fuhrdog
                              "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

                              "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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                              • GwynnInTheHall
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 9214

                                Originally posted by cardboardbox
                                He's easily the best president in my voting lifetime.
                                You just turned 21?
                                If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                                Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                                Martin Luther King, Jr.

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