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  • Ken
    Administrator
    • Feb 2016
    • 10979

    Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall
    Wait--aren't elections all ABOUT who I'd prefer vs who You'd prefer?
    Elections are about who WE prefer as a collective, not who you prefer or I prefer.

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    • Kevin Seitzer
      All Star
      • Jan 2011
      • 9175

      Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall
      Wait--aren't elections all ABOUT who I'd prefer vs who You'd prefer?
      That's what voting is about, but that's not how you set up electoral systems. You don't set up an electoral system to unfairly sway things toward the candidate you prefer. Hopefully you set it up to best represent the choice of the whole electorate, not your personal favorite.
      "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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      • GwynnInTheHall
        All Star
        • Jan 2011
        • 9214

        Originally posted by Ken
        Elections are about who WE prefer as a collective, not who you prefer or I prefer.
        You and I only get one vote.

        The process of a primary is inherently going to lead to diluted total numbers, I still say whomever gets them most votes, is the collective choice.
        If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

        Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
        Martin Luther King, Jr.

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        • GwynnInTheHall
          All Star
          • Jan 2011
          • 9214

          Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
          Not really. I'm not asking about how you choose a candidate to support. I'm asking about what you think is a fair way for a party to choose a nominee among multiple potentially viable choices. I'll take the names off of it because, although I thought that would help clarify, it seems to be confusing instead.

          New Hypothetical Scenario:
          40% vote for Candidate A, 30% would have Candidate B as their second choice, 10% would have Candidate C as their second choice
          35% vote for Candidate B, all 35% would have Candidate C as their second choice and they all absolutely abhor Candidate A
          25% vote for Candidate C, all 25% would have Candidate B as their second choice and they all absolutely abhor Candidate A

          You think Candidate A should win the nomination with 40% support, even though 60% of the electorate hate Candidate A? Or would Candidate B, with 35% support as first choice and 60% support as second choice, be a better representative of the will of the electorate?
          That's just not looking at it correctly, you're advocating a system where you choose the Platform rather than the Person. Every one of your scenarios are about Bernie and Warren splitting the Vote and someone else slipping in. Advocating a brokered convention. If Warren get's more than Bernie, she should get the Nod and visa versa.

          BTW, even if ONE candidate get's 49% and the other 51% is split between 5-6 other guys you could still say the majority of people hate that guy and be right--it's a horseshit comment.
          If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

          Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
          Martin Luther King, Jr.

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          • Ken
            Administrator
            • Feb 2016
            • 10979

            Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall
            You and I only get one vote.
            That's... not what we are talking about. Nevermind.

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            • GwynnInTheHall
              All Star
              • Jan 2011
              • 9214

              Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
              That's what voting is about, but that's not how you set up electoral systems. You don't set up an electoral system to unfairly sway things toward the candidate you prefer. Hopefully you set it up to best represent the choice of the whole electorate, not your personal favorite.
              I'm in favor of the popular vote wining it all, fuck electoral systems--that's what got us Trump and shit like Superdelegate/brokered conventions.
              If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

              Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
              Martin Luther King, Jr.

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              • Ken
                Administrator
                • Feb 2016
                • 10979

                Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall
                it's a horseshit comment.
                I think horseshit stinks.

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                • GwynnInTheHall
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 9214

                  A brokered convention favors everyone expect Bernie, which you can't tell me this isn't about. The DNC and other candidates don't want Sanders as the Nominee, it's clear as they haven't encouraged anyone to drop out. Warren is till polling in the tank, but she's supposed to get the nomination over Sanders because the progressive wing get's more votes that the single moderate candidate? I absolutely guarantee a brokered convention in ANY respect will NOTend with Sanders being the Candidate in the General.

                  You're not going to get many if any sanders supporters on board with a brokered convention, even if he's behind going into it.
                  If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                  Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                  Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                  • GwynnInTheHall
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 9214

                    Originally posted by Ken
                    I think horseshit stinks.
                    You've been to the South Point Casino!!!
                    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                    Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                    • The Feral Slasher
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 13398

                      Originally posted by Ken
                      Elections are about who WE prefer as a collective, not who you prefer or I prefer.
                      I disagree
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                      Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                      The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                      George Orwell, 1984

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                      • Ken
                        Administrator
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 10979

                        Originally posted by The Feral Slasher
                        I disagree
                        Damnit, foiled again.

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                        • nots
                          Journeyman
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 2907

                          It doesn’t appear Taibbi is much of a Bloomberg fan, lol. Good read.
                          The Nevada debate offered voters vital information — including the exposure of Michael Bloomberg’s reputation for “electability”

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                          • TS Garp
                            Welcome to the Big Leagues, Kid
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 1630

                            From Washington Post:

                            Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign:

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                            • The Feral Slasher
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 13398

                              Originally posted by TS Garp
                              From Washington Post:

                              Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign:

                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...mments-wrapper
                              I hit a paywall, I'm sure I can find it in some other source instead of donating to Jeff Bezos
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                              Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                              The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                              George Orwell, 1984

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                              • The Feral Slasher
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 13398

                                Originally posted by TS Garp
                                From Washington Post:

                                Bernie Sanders briefed by U.S. officials that Russia is trying to help his presidential campaign:

                                https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...mments-wrapper
                                I am sure no one will use this to discredit him. Hopefully there are some details in the reports
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                                Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                                The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                                George Orwell, 1984

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