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  • #4321
    Elizabeth Warren going extremely negative on Bernie.

    Asked what she could say to convince voters at home leaning towards voting Sanders, "what's the single policy point you would argue to them?"

    Her response was light on details, heavy on Bernie bashing nonsense. "I get real stuff done. I have rock solid values and I get stuff done. I don't wanna be President just to yell at people, I wanna be President to change things.

    Nice to see Warren's political analysis has the same depth as The View. That's her policy position, "I won't yell as much"??? You guys still supporting her... c'mon.... this is beyond pathetic. Thinking she would beat Trump by mimicking Clinton, playing the gender card and talking about how mean her opponent is. No way.
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    • #4322
      Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
      So, if for example, Mayor Pete has 32% of the delegates, Bernie has 30%, Warren has 28%, and Biden has 10%, you think the democratic answer is that Mayor Pete should automatically be the nominee? I'd ask the same of Teenwolf.
      Yes, do you think HRC should have been president since she got 3 Million more Votes that the Duff Beer guy?
      If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

      Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
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      • #4323
        Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
        Yes, do you think HRC should have been president since she got 3 Million more Votes that the Duff Beer guy?
        Those really aren't comparable situations.
        If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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        • #4324
          Originally posted by TS Garp View Post
          That's interesting. I came away thinking the author of the piece likely supports Bernie or Warren.
          I post things in here that get a--You make a few good points. But...…… I was just iterating my But.

          Iterating my But, a good name for a band?
          If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

          Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
          Martin Luther King, Jr.

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          • #4325
            Originally posted by Teenwolf View Post
            Elizabeth Warren going extremely negative on Bernie.

            Asked what she could say to convince voters at home leaning towards voting Sanders, "what's the single policy point you would argue to them?"

            Her response was light on details, heavy on Bernie bashing nonsense. "I get real stuff done. I have rock solid values and I get stuff done. I don't wanna be President just to yell at people, I wanna be President to change things.

            Nice to see Warren's political analysis has the same depth as The View. That's her policy position, "I won't yell as much"??? You guys still supporting her... c'mon.... this is beyond pathetic. Thinking she would beat Trump by mimicking Clinton, playing the gender card and talking about how mean her opponent is. No way.
            Extremely negative? Lol
            If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
            - Terence McKenna

            Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

            How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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            • #4326
              Originally posted by Ken View Post
              When are we switching to direct democracy where we all vote from our phones on all the issues?
              I works on Dancing with the Stars......
              If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

              Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
              Martin Luther King, Jr.

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              • #4327
                Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
                Yes, do you think HRC should have been president since she got 3 Million more Votes that the Duff Beer guy?
                I don't like the electoral college system and don't think it's good that Trump became president with fewer votes, but that's a different question than my scenario in the primaries with more than two viable candidates getting large percentages of the vote. Just to be clear, you'd support Mayor Pete getting the nomination in that scenario? And you think that's the will of the electorate in that situation?
                "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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                • #4328
                  Originally posted by DMT View Post
                  Those really aren't comparable situations.
                  Why not, the question was--do you think the person with the most votes should win the nomination.

                  Yes I do. As long as the primary has been run ethically, which to this point I believe it has been.

                  Even if it ISN'T Sanders, as long as this sustains, whomever get's the most votes should be the nominee.
                  If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                  Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                  Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                  • #4329
                    Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
                    I don't like the electoral college system and don't think it's good that Trump became president with fewer votes, but that's a different question than my scenario in the primaries with more than two viable candidates getting large percentages of the vote. Just to be clear, you'd support Mayor Pete getting the nomination in that scenario? And you think that's the will of the electorate in that situation?
                    I would, he's not my 1st choice, but he's given me no reason to do otherwise. I'm still in on Sanders, Pete, Biden and Klobachar at this point. Out on Warren and Bloomberg.

                    EDIT: I think I've made it pretty clear, my priority is the Person, not the platform.
                    If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                    Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                    • #4330
                      Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
                      Why not, the question was--do you think the person with the most votes should win the nomination.

                      Yes I do. As long as the primary has been run ethically, which to this point I believe it has been.

                      Even if it ISN'T Sanders, as long as this sustains, whomever get's the most votes should be the nominee.
                      Are you purposefully ducking the thorny part of that scenario or just not understanding it?
                      "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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                      • #4331
                        Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
                        I would, he's not my 1st choice, but he's given me no reason to do otherwise. I'm still in on Sanders, Pete, Biden and Klobachar at this point. Out on Warren and Bloomberg.
                        This isn't about who you prefer, or at least I hope you're not suggesting we set up national electoral systems slanted to specifically choose the candidate you like. You believe that represents the will of the electorate in that scenario, even though 60% of them wanted a much more progressive candidate?
                        "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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                        • #4332
                          Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
                          Are you purposefully ducking the thorny part of that scenario or just not understanding it?
                          Read my edit--I noticed I hadn't addressed the Thorny part. Hope that helps.
                          If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                          Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                          Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                          • #4333
                            Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer View Post
                            This isn't about who you prefer, or at least I hope you're not suggesting we set up national electoral systems slanted to specifically choose the candidate you like. You believe that represents the will of the electorate in that scenario, even though 60% of them wanted a much more progressive candidate?
                            I want the candidate with the most integrity--Period--if that were a Republican--I'd vote for that candidate.
                            If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                            Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                            Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                            • #4334
                              Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
                              I want the candidate with the most integrity--Period--if that were a Republican--I'd vote for that candidate.
                              Wait--aren't elections all ABOUT who I'd prefer vs who You'd prefer?
                              If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011

                              Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
                              Martin Luther King, Jr.

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                              • #4335
                                Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Post
                                Read my edit--I noticed I hadn't addressed the Thorny part. Hope that helps.
                                Not really. I'm not asking about how you choose a candidate to support. I'm asking about what you think is a fair way for a party to choose a nominee among multiple potentially viable choices. I'll take the names off of it because, although I thought that would help clarify, it seems to be confusing instead.

                                New Hypothetical Scenario:
                                40% vote for Candidate A, 30% would have Candidate B as their second choice, 10% would have Candidate C as their second choice
                                35% vote for Candidate B, all 35% would have Candidate C as their second choice and they all absolutely abhor Candidate A
                                25% vote for Candidate C, all 25% would have Candidate B as their second choice and they all absolutely abhor Candidate A

                                You think Candidate A should win the nomination with 40% support, even though 60% of the electorate hate Candidate A? Or would Candidate B, with 35% support as first choice and 55% support as second choice, be a better representative of the will of the electorate?
                                Last edited by Kevin Seitzer; 02-21-2020, 01:22 PM.
                                "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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