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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostI saw a few articles about how men will grow big boobs if they eat Impossible Whoppers after their sales spiked.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostWell that explains a lot ! Thanks
ETA: Did you know socialism gives you cancer? Everyone has it in Western Europe, but the mainstream media doesn't tell you these things.Last edited by Sour Masher; 01-29-2020, 12:46 AM.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostI heard universal health care will make us all pansies too. Real Americans tough it out. All doctors are just after our money anyway! Just put some dirt on it and it will be fine!---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostWill that help with my boobs ?Last edited by Sour Masher; 01-29-2020, 01:16 AM.
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I think Sour Masher is underestimating the sheer stupidity of people who would rather pay $10K for childbirth, or $100K for cancer, etc, rather than adopting a system like Canada's, or any other developed and moral nation.
My family grew up similarly to Sour Masher's, hard working, poor single mom with dead beat stepdad who didn't work, but we had a lot of health issues. My mom had a hysterectomy at 29, two heart procedures, and has had lupus for over a decade, retired on disability at 55, among other issues. If she had medical debt from those surgeries, she would be bankrupt or dead from inability to pursue care.
Same for me. After having my gall bladder removed, I was in and out of hospitals and doctor offices for 12 years until I started to figure out my health issues. So many blood tests, stool tests, physical exams, MRI's, x-rays, ultrasounds, endoscopies, colonoscopies, etc. All free, at whichever hospital i choose. If I didn't have access to care, or if I were bankrupted from the lab rat lifestyle, i probably would have killed myself if I were still dealing with the chronic pain. I would have stopped seeking help and given up.
The system you have is immoral. The folks who don't want it to change don't see the immorality of it because they're insulated from these health care issues, like FS says. They got a good job, decent coverage, so who cares about the less fortunate?
I also cannot fathom being enslaved in a job because of the health care it provides. I think that M4A would be a huge boon to entrepreneurs able to pursue their passions, especially if paired with elimination of student and medical debt.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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No question it's immoral, but be careful you might be summoning BG back to explain to us why HC is a privilege not a right. The media plays a role as well, pushing the fear-monguering that despite being the richest country the world has ever known, we can't afford to provide coverage to everyone.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostNo question it's immoral, but be careful you might be summoning BG back to explain to us why HC is a privilege not a right. The media plays a role as well, pushing the fear-monguering that despite being the richest country the world has ever known, we can't afford to provide coverage to everyone.
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostI find this really fascinating. Do you think if the Dems and Republicans met in the middle and compromised that the results would be beneficial for most Americans ? Is the inability to compromise what is leading to the decline of the Republic ?
When we find a compromise and give people a chance to see that some of this change could be good, we all win. Look at the ACA, as that seems to be the current standard bearer in this discussion.
People love that pre-existing conditions are taken care of with the ACA.
People love that their is an option for everyone.
People are more aware of exactly what health care cost, as they have been exposed via news the cost for those who are low-income.
People are starting to see that the squeeze is really the lower-middle class that doesn't qualify for Medicare or a state program.
Now the issue, politically is the constant push-pull of the repeal Republicans and the M4A Democrats. Neither is realistic. People want there to be options, but can't fathom the cost of M4A. We need to tweak the ACA. As someone who buys through the exchange, it's become garbage, as the truly only "affordable" plans are exactly what is was set up to negate, the Catastrophic Plan.
Make some tweaks to the ACA, explain it better, make some incremental changes that everyone can get behind."Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
- Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane
i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
- nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.
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Maybe if Republicans hadn't spent so much effort trying to dismantle ACA, your incremental plan might have worked. But, their true intentions (screwing everyone but themselves and their wealthy donors) have been laid bare for all to see.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostI guess what I found interesting was the complete lack of context regarding the U.S. system vs other countries and as you noted the self interest and total lack of consideration for the people without insurance or those with crappy insurance. I think people who grow up in middle/upper family structures, go to college, get good jobs and have good insurance have no idea about how half or more of the country struggle with health insurance. Or even understand that most Americans don't live an upper class lifestyle like they do.
From a personal perspective, I am and have always been happy to pay higher taxes and to support compassionate government programs whether they directly benefit me and my family or not. And while Medicare for All may not be optimal for my family given the great health coverage we get through my wife's teachers' union negotiated collective bargaining agreement, I will absolutely support it if the details of the plan can be worked out to ensure all Americans have access to quality health insurance and health care.
My concern about the Sanders agenda isn't really that it's radical. In global or even historical context, I don't think it's particularly radical at all. My concern is more that much of the agenda may not be politically achievable given the American political system and the state of our politics, if Sanders can win. And more importantly, that it may be too easy for the GOP to scare voters into thinking that Sanders's agenda and ideology is too radical and risky and "anti-American". My biggest worry is about losing to Trump. And I go back and forth on who is best positioned to win the potentially available voters in the potentially swingable states.
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostSo as a person who grew up in a middle/upper-class family structure, went to college, has gotten good jobs and has good insurance for myself and my family, I would like to quibble with your generalization, lol. I think there are a lot of people in my boat who (1) don't think Bernie Sanders is crazy, (2) understand how privileged we are and how much of a struggle it is for a huge portion of the American population to secure a living wage and decent health insurance and care, and (3) understand how much greater the disparities between haves and have nots are in the US versus Europe, Canada and much of the "first world".
From a personal perspective, I am and have always been happy to pay higher taxes and to support compassionate government programs whether they directly benefit me and my family or not. And while Medicare for All may not be optimal for my family given the great health coverage we get through my wife's teachers' union negotiated collective bargaining agreement, I will absolutely support it if the details of the plan can be worked out to ensure all Americans have access to quality health insurance and health care.
My concern about the Sanders agenda isn't really that it's radical. In global or even historical context, I don't think it's particularly radical at all. My concern is more that much of the agenda may not be politically achievable given the American political system and the state of our politics, if Sanders can win. And more importantly, that it may be too easy for the GOP to scare voters into thinking that Sanders's agenda and ideology is too radical and risky and "anti-American". My biggest worry is about losing to Trump. And I go back and forth on who is best positioned to win the potentially available voters in the potentially swingable states.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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I am actually beginning to see a path for Bloomberg to win the nomination. Let’s say Sanders win 3 of the first 4 primaries with Biden getting an underwhelming win in SC. Buttigieg, Warren et al are cooked. The DNC (and especially the media) recoil at the thought of Sanders being the nominee and begin to put their finger on the scale again. Media has a lot of ‘articles’ portraying Sanders in a negative light. Bloomberg continues climbing in the polls and by (or right after) Super Tuesday, Obama (certainly no friend of Sanders and certainly not against a big money guy like Bloomberg) comes out with an endorsement for Mayor Mike. Bloomberg cruises to win after that and takes the nomination.
Certainly key not the likeliest of scenarios by any stretch, but for the first time, I can see it’s possible. Anyone with me on this at least being plausible?
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Originally posted by nots View PostI am actually beginning to see a path for Bloomberg to win the nomination. Let’s say Sanders win 3 of the first 4 primaries with Biden getting an underwhelming win in SC. Buttigieg, Warren et al are cooked. The DNC (and especially the media) recoil at the thought of Sanders being the nominee and begin to put their finger on the scale again. Media has a lot of ‘articles’ portraying Sanders in a negative light. Bloomberg continues climbing in the polls and by (or right after) Super Tuesday, Obama (certainly no friend of Sanders and certainly not against a big money guy like Bloomberg) comes out with an endorsement for Mayor Mike. Bloomberg cruises to win after that and takes the nomination.
Certainly key not the likeliest of scenarios by any stretch, but for the first time, I can see it’s possible. Anyone with me on this at least being plausible?
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