Election 2020

**Teenwolf** · 07-31-2019, 06:03 AM

"Almost our entire lives, progressives have been on the fringe of the Denocratic party and the Democratic discussion. Tonight, they were literally center stage, because they're polling the best of anybody on the stage, they're in the top 3. But also because their ideas are center stage. Now, you have the moderate Democrats playing the role of the fringe candidates, which we've never before seen in our lifetimes."

Cenk Uygur made a good point, noting how far the progressive movement has come.

**frae** · 07-31-2019, 07:49 AM

I thought the healthcare debate was good and worth having. Thank god they stopped making people raise their hands to indicate positions on things.

Bernie was much better in this debate and Warren had some high moments and faded away at times, but still good. Interesting that CNN set up the debate to be Warren and Sanders against the field, what I mean is they would ask a question about a policy from one of them to a moderate and then there would be a debate. The only downside to this for me is Warren and Sanders didn't debate each other at all. They fended off the same attacks.

So nothing for me changed in the big picture from this group. Sanders and Warren remain the only two with shots at the nomination. Pete is a guy I like a lot but I don't think he is going to get a big bounce to be a candidate that can win. I think he had to be Delaney like if he wanted to take that shot. Meaning he needed to be a moderate willing to attack Warren and Sanders. That just might not be who he is, but playing the status quo won't get him a big enough bounce I don't think. That said by not attacking them hard on anything he does leave himself more available as a VP option.

Klobuchar did the same thing as Pete she didn't attack the candidates left of her and while she hammered away at the electability argument it just isn't going to pop as long as Biden is in the field. She needed a standout moment and she didn't have any. She does remain in the VP conversation because she will play well in the midwest.

Beto at least had a few good moments but also had long periods of doing nothing. I know there were polls yesterday that made TX look almost purple, but it is one of those things I need to see in an election before I believe it and by seeing it I mean someone has to win something statewide before his electability argument will get him traction anywhere including as a VP candidate. He probably only can be the VP nominee to Harris.

Bullock did well with the hand he had to play. I don't think he can win, but he was much better than Hickenlooper and Ryan who had similar hands.

Delaney is DOA as a candidate, but I want to give him credit for getting so much air time. He didn't back down from the questions and for a guy polling under 1% he was on TV as much as anyone. That said his policies aren't going to win a Democratic primary.

Williamson was less crazy-sounding and talked about a few issues that matter to her but again DOA as a candidate so it doesn't matter.

**Sour Masher** · 07-31-2019, 07:49 AM

I was a little surprised Warren and Sanders didn't spar a bit more too separate themselves from each other, but for now, I think it was a good strategy, as they both had to defend themselves from the rest of the stage, and they agree on almost everything, so making it them against the centrist field was well planned.

At this point, I don't think Mayer Pete can overcome his negatives, but I continue to think he is good at debating and he navigated the waters between left and center pretty well.

**Teenwolf** · 07-31-2019, 08:02 AM

Fascinating interview with Marianne Williamson where she claims to have been partially swayed towards Med4All by Sanders and Warren in the debate.

**revo** · 07-31-2019, 12:36 PM

It’s happening again — GOP congressmen/women are retiring rather than face an uphill battle to win back their seat with Dopey Don embarrassing them on a near daily basis.

So far five GOPers have announced they’re done, the latest being Rep. Mike Conaway of Texas.

“Serving in the era of Trump has few rewards,” Tom Davis, a former senior Republican congressman, told The Hill. “He has made an already hostile political environment worse. Every day there is some indefensible tweet or comment to defend or explain. It is exhausting and often embarrassing.”

**Sour Masher** · 07-31-2019, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by revo

It’s happening again — GOP congressmen/women are retiring rather than face an uphill battle to win back their seat with Dopey Don embarrassing them on a near daily basis.

So far five GOPers have announced they’re done, the latest being Rep. Mike Conaway of Texas.

“Serving in the era of Trump has few rewards,” Tom Davis, a former senior Republican congressman, told The Hill. “He has made an already hostile political environment worse. Every day there is some indefensible tweet or comment to defend or explain. It is exhausting and often embarrassing.”

I'm sure he would say he is just culling the losers and wimps out of the party. Only he wouldn't say culling, cuz it isn't one of his "best words."

**nots** · 07-31-2019, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Sour Masher

I'm sure he would say he is just culling the losers and wimps out of the party. Only he wouldn't say culling, cuz it isn't one of his "best words."

I find the most accurate way to view any Trump quote or tweet is thru the most narcissistic, self involved lens possible. He is the most me centric person I have ever seen so I chose to view his tweets that way.

**onejayhawk** · 07-31-2019, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by revo

It�s happening again � GOP congressmen/women are retiring rather than face an uphill battle to win back their seat with Dopey Don embarrassing them on a near daily basis.

So far five GOPers have announced they�re done, the latest being Rep. Mike Conaway of Texas.

�Serving in the era of Trump has few rewards,� Tom Davis, a former senior Republican congressman, told The Hill. �He has made an already hostile political environment worse. Every day there is some indefensible tweet or comment to defend or explain. It is exhausting and often embarrassing.�

These are never-Trump types. The uphill battle is a primary challenge, in addition to November.

Originally posted by Sour Masher

I'm sure he would say he is just culling the losers and wimps out of the party. Only he wouldn't say culling, cuz it isn't one of his "best words."

That isn't a bad way to put it.

J

**revo** · 07-31-2019, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by onejayhawk

These are never-Trump types. The uphill battle is a primary challenge, in addition to November.

Except they're not Never Trumpers. Some did publicly question his racist tweets, but that's called being a good human being, J.

**onejayhawk** · 07-31-2019, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by revo

Except they're not Never Trumpers. Some did publicly question his racist tweets, but that's called being a good human being, J.

Yes they were. They did not openly oppose him public but they cannot separate the policy from the mannerisms, ie the substance from the superficial. George Will and Bill Krystol can't either. Calling Trump racist is just a way of being superficial and avoiding his real message, which is solidarity. Trump does not govern as a racist, which what good humans care about.

In the end it won't matter. 2020 is going to be a bad year for the Democrats and Trump's reelection is only part of it.

**TranaGreg** · 07-31-2019, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by onejayhawk

In the end it won't matter. 2020 is going to be a bad year for the Democrats and Trump's reelection is only part of it.

is that when you think the death camps will become operational?

**GwynnInTheHall** · 07-31-2019, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by TranaGreg

is that when you think the death camps will become operational?

In the year 2525.................

**revo** · 07-31-2019, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by onejayhawk

Yes they were. They did not openly oppose him public but they cannot separate the policy from the mannerisms, ie the substance from the superficial. George Will and Bill Krystol can't either. Calling Trump racist is just a way of being superficial and avoiding his real message, which is solidarity. Trump does not govern as a racist, which what good humans care about.

In the end it won't matter. 2020 is going to be a bad year for the Democrats and Trump's reelection is only part of it.

Whaat? He couldn't give two shits about cities/states/people that didn't vote for him. He's the most divisive president in American history. Solidarity? Maybe on Bizarro J World.

**Teenwolf** · 07-31-2019, 08:28 PM

Cory Booker had a great prepared line for Joe Biden on criminal justice issues. His counter punch had my wife and I absolutely howling:

"You're dipping in the Kool-Aid and you don't know the flavour!"

The knives are out, making for some fun soundbites.

Hey, my prediction that Tulsi would expose Kamala Harris is coming true right now! Loving it!

**Sour Masher** · 07-31-2019, 09:42 PM

I know this is shallow and not relevant, but Tulsi is looking real purty tonight.

Election 2020

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