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There is no proof that God exists
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If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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Originally posted by TranaGreg View PostBy "believing" do you mean "wondering" ? Because I can certainly test out ideas that I'm wondering about without "believing" that they happen to be true.
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In other words, I don't think anyone would argue that there wasn't a lot of overlap between religion and science/medicine in it's earliest forms. That doesn't mean they're actually related.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostYour comments about science/medicine being started with a foundation in belief. Fresno opened with that quote.
He said God, I would take exception to that. I would not take exception to inserting religion.
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostI think you're talking about hope and self-confidence and their influence on inspiration/motivation, more so than "belief" as I understand the word.
Regarding your comment on science; we have to at the very least believe what we are observing and believe that an experiment will have some outcome even if we do not know what that is.
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostI am not talking about hope or self confidence. Man certainly has a heightened development of these. Does one have self confidence if they do not believe in themselves?
Regarding your comment on science; we have to at the very least believe what we are observing and believe that an experiment will have some outcome even if we do not know what that is.
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostNo sir. First I requested that we take religion out of it. You then put it back in and told me it was unfair to the rules and science of reason. Getting back to science. There is no testing, no replicability, no peer review, if someone does not start out with the belief that the thing that gets all this treatment was possible in the first place.
There is no science, no medicine, no technology without someone first believing."You know what's wrong with America? If I lovingly tongue a woman's nipple in a movie, it gets an "NC-17" rating, if I chop it off with a machete, it's an "R". That's what's wrong with America, man...."--Dennis Hopper
"One should judge a man mainly from his depravities. Virtues can be faked. Depravities are real." -- Klaus Kinski
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I've been reading this thread with a very open mind as I was born and raised a Catholic for 38 years and then "converted" to Christianity in 2002.
Raised the kids that way and we have always been very involved in the church since then. I've been a Jr/Sr High Sunday school teacher/helper since 2002 and still enjoy helping the youth.
My "proof" has always been when I really need "help" (guidance/understanding), God has been there for me. You can call coincidence....but it's way too random for that.
Thanks for a great discussion...I'll join in when appropriate.
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostNope. Man is the authority over the world.
We have the ability to destroy the world. I am told many times over. No one can stop us except ourselves.
The mightiest creatures we have found ways to subdue. In some cases make extinct. Do you for one minute think there is an animal in the world that we cannot eliminate if we wanted to.
It is lucky for us that we mutated to the top of the food chain. It is the natural order of things if I am to believe what most have stated here.
If the defining criteria is the ability to destroy the world, then I'd say the authority of this world is the sun. Maybe the Egyptians had it right!It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.
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Originally posted by griswold View PostI've been reading this thread with a very open mind as I was born and raised a Catholic for 38 years and then "converted" to Christianity in 2002.
Raised the kids that way and we have always been very involved in the church since then. I've been a Jr/Sr High Sunday school teacher/helper since 2002 and still enjoy helping the youth.
My "proof" has always been when I really need "help" (guidance/understanding), God has been there for me. You can call coincidence....but it's way too random for that.
Thanks for a great discussion...I'll join in when appropriate.
Two questions if you don't mind.
1.) I'm unclear on the "conversion" from Catholicism to Christianity. Is it just a rejection of Papist hierarchy, or something different. I see the Catholic Church as the oldest, most visible, most organized sect of Christianity. Am I missing something?
2.) I'm unclear on your "proof", what does it mean when you say "God has been there for me". Do you feel that God has actually spoken to you, or is it that God has placed a person with knowledge or empathy into your path when you needed support or a bump into a new direction?"You know what's wrong with America? If I lovingly tongue a woman's nipple in a movie, it gets an "NC-17" rating, if I chop it off with a machete, it's an "R". That's what's wrong with America, man...."--Dennis Hopper
"One should judge a man mainly from his depravities. Virtues can be faked. Depravities are real." -- Klaus Kinski
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Originally posted by Fresno Bob View PostTwo questions if you don't mind.
1.) I'm unclear on the "conversion" from Catholicism to Christianity. Is it just a rejection of Papist hierarchy, or something different. I see the Catholic Church as the oldest, most visible, most organized sect of Christianity. Am I missing something?
2.) I'm unclear on your "proof", what does it mean when you say "God has been there for me". Do you feel that God has actually spoken to you, or is it that God has placed a person with knowledge or empathy into your path when you needed support or a bump into a new direction?
1. Well, basically, my wife was raised Methodist and I was Catholic....we felt we needed one church with similar beliefs. We have a Christian church very close and decided to go there. I wasn't rejecting anything per se. I just felt Christianity was a better path for our beliefs.
2. I believe God placed a person with knowledge in my path to help guide me or confirm my decision for life's struggles.
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Originally posted by griswold View PostGood questions....
1. Well, basically, my wife was raised Methodist and I was Catholic....we felt we needed one church with similar beliefs. We have a Christian church very close and decided to go there. I wasn't rejecting anything per se. I just felt Christianity was a better path for our beliefs.
2. I believe God placed a person with knowledge in my path to help guide me or confirm my decision for life's struggles.
2. That's a coincidence or having friends. Edit to say: Ken is right, this is out of line and I apologize to you, griz, and to the participants of the discussion.
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Originally posted by Steve 2.0 View Post2. That's a coincidence or having friends.
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