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  • Originally posted by Gregg View Post
    Some in here have stated they like Jesus the man. What would an atheist or agnostic like about Jesus the man?
    Because, if one accepts the characterizations of Jesus from the Gospels, he promoted empathy, charity and love, and promoted the idea that ethics - doing good - is less about strict and cold compliance with "the law", and more about treating one another well - again, with empathy and love, particularly for the weak and less fortunate - the people societies have tended to look down upon.

    Liking that doesn't depend one whit on whether Jesus was (1) the Messiah prophesized in the Hebrew Bible, or (2) the Son of G-d (or in any other way divine).

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    • Originally posted by B-Fly View Post
      Because, if one accepts the characterizations of Jesus from the Gospels, he promoted empathy, charity and love, and promoted the idea that ethics - doing good - is less about strict and cold compliance with "the law", and more about treating one another well - again, with empathy and love, particularly for the weak and less fortunate - the people societies have tended to look down upon.

      Liking that doesn't depend one whit on whether Jesus was (1) the Messiah prophesized in the Hebrew Bible, or (2) the Son of G-d (or in any other way divine).
      yep. same way that an atheist can like & respect Gandhi, or King.
      It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.

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      • Originally posted by Gregg View Post
        That is true.

        So now we have Jesus really existed.

        Either He was or He wasn't the Son of God.

        Some in here have stated they like Jesus the man. What would an atheist or agnostic like about Jesus the man?
        Jesus is the first socialist
        "You know what's wrong with America? If I lovingly tongue a woman's nipple in a movie, it gets an "NC-17" rating, if I chop it off with a machete, it's an "R". That's what's wrong with America, man...."--Dennis Hopper

        "One should judge a man mainly from his depravities. Virtues can be faked. Depravities are real." -- Klaus Kinski

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        • Originally posted by Fresno Bob View Post
          Jesus is the first socialist
          See post #24, you are starting to get repetitive

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          • Originally posted by Gregg View Post
            Really?! Did you even read my last post #220?

            Just kidding. Do you have a particular reference that you like for the searching of the body? I would like to read it.
            It is well documented that the Church claimed the empty tomb from the beginning. Early critics of Christianity presuppose the empty tomb: Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho 108; Tertullian, De Spectaculis 30.

            Indirectly, it is significant that women were principal witnesses. If the story were fabricated, the witnesses would surely have been men.

            J
            Ad Astra per Aspera

            Oh. In that case, never mind. - Wonderboy

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            • Originally posted by Ken View Post
              See post #24, you are starting to get repetitive
              Gregg asked why an atheist would like Jesus
              "You know what's wrong with America? If I lovingly tongue a woman's nipple in a movie, it gets an "NC-17" rating, if I chop it off with a machete, it's an "R". That's what's wrong with America, man...."--Dennis Hopper

              "One should judge a man mainly from his depravities. Virtues can be faked. Depravities are real." -- Klaus Kinski

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              • Originally posted by Gregg View Post
                Lot's of holes, bait and switch. Why would he include Paul in the discussion of Jesus the man? Even I would not do that. He brushed over Tacitus and Josephus mixing some truth with lies. If he did his homework and was not intellectually lazy (or worse) he would have needed to address this in much greater detail.

                He is an avowed atheist with an agenda. Seems like he is looking at self promotion and his 15 minutes of fame. He is an officially ordained Dudeist Priest which many in here will enjoy.
                I didn't mind him including Paul.....it was when he quoted John, George, and Ringo that caused me pause.
                “There’s no normal life, Wyatt, it’s just life. Get on with it.” – Doc Holliday

                "It doesn't matter what you think" - The Rock

                "I borked the entry." - Some dude on the Internet

                Have I told you about otters being the only marine animal that can lift rocks?

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                • Originally posted by Fresno Bob View Post
                  Gregg asked why an atheist would like Jesus
                  By all accounts, he was a cool dude.
                  “There’s no normal life, Wyatt, it’s just life. Get on with it.” – Doc Holliday

                  "It doesn't matter what you think" - The Rock

                  "I borked the entry." - Some dude on the Internet

                  Have I told you about otters being the only marine animal that can lift rocks?

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                  • Originally posted by Fresno Bob View Post
                    Gregg asked why an atheist would like Jesus
                    I think most atheists would like Jesus better than most Christians would if they actually met the man (assuming he existed).
                    “There’s no normal life, Wyatt, it’s just life. Get on with it.” – Doc Holliday

                    "It doesn't matter what you think" - The Rock

                    "I borked the entry." - Some dude on the Internet

                    Have I told you about otters being the only marine animal that can lift rocks?

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                    • Originally posted by Steve 2.0 View Post
                      I think most atheists would like Jesus better than most Christians would if they actually met the man (assuming he existed).
                      Odd take. What stereotypes about Christians and athiests are used to derive that?

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                      • Originally posted by Ken View Post
                        Odd take. What stereotypes about Christians and athiests are used to derive that?
                        The ones in my head.
                        “There’s no normal life, Wyatt, it’s just life. Get on with it.” – Doc Holliday

                        "It doesn't matter what you think" - The Rock

                        "I borked the entry." - Some dude on the Internet

                        Have I told you about otters being the only marine animal that can lift rocks?

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                        • Originally posted by Ken View Post
                          Odd take. What stereotypes about Christians and athiests are used to derive that?
                          Seriously, I think most Christians would have a cow if they ran into the "real" Jesus and realized he was from the middle east.
                          “There’s no normal life, Wyatt, it’s just life. Get on with it.” – Doc Holliday

                          "It doesn't matter what you think" - The Rock

                          "I borked the entry." - Some dude on the Internet

                          Have I told you about otters being the only marine animal that can lift rocks?

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                          • Originally posted by Steve 2.0 View Post
                            By all accounts, he was a cool dude.
                            So was Ferris Bueller for that matter.
                            It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
                            Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address


                            "When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra

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                            • Originally posted by Steve 2.0 View Post
                              Seriously, I think most Christians would have a cow if they ran into the "real" Jesus and realized he was from the middle east.
                              You think most Christians don't know where Jerusalem is? I guess "most Christians" I have interacted with don't fit your stereotype, or anywhere close.

                              Seems like a 1950s type religious criticism. I think we can likely put those type stereotypes to bed with this generation, we have this thing called the internet.

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                              • Originally posted by Ken View Post
                                You think most Christians don't know where Jerusalem is? I guess "most Christians" I have interacted with don't fit your stereotype, or anywhere close.

                                Seems like a 1950s type religious criticism. I think we can likely put those type stereotypes to bed with this generation, we have this thing called the internet.
                                Seriously? Jesus is almost universally portrayed as a white man.
                                If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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                                Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

                                How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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