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It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by DMT View PostI do understand. The problem is that most anti-abortion folks don't.
It has been decided - move on!It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostBoth sides are equally obtuse as the other on this one....... Its frustrating to watch the discourse about this topic sometimes, because both sides are still trying to win something that has already been determined.
It has been decided - move on!"You know what's wrong with America? If I lovingly tongue a woman's nipple in a movie, it gets an "NC-17" rating, if I chop it off with a machete, it's an "R". That's what's wrong with America, man...."--Dennis Hopper
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostBoth sides are equally obtuse as the other on this one....... Its frustrating to watch the discourse about this topic sometimes, because both sides are still trying to win something that has already been determined.
It has been decided - move on!
I mean, honestly, how you can state "it's been decided move on", yet pin this on both sides is beyond me.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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While I agree that there are many on the Right that want to see it overturned - Both sides dont listen to each other when the conversation happens.
Its a baby........
Its a fetus......
Its alive......
Its not self sufficient..........
How about we stop trying to "make points" realize that we have decided this at the highest court in our land - and figure out how we can best work together to keep people from being in the quandry of making a decision about abortion.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by DMT View PostOnce again, you blame both sides when one side has been actively eroding abortion rights since 1973.
I mean, honestly, how you can state "it's been decided move on", yet pin this on both sides is beyond me.
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostWhile I agree that there are many on the Right that want to see it overturned - Both sides dont listen to each other when the conversation happens.
Its a baby........
Its a fetus......
Its alive......
Its not self sufficient..........
How about we stop trying to "make points" realize that we have decided this at the highest court in our land - and figure out how we can best work together to keep people from being in the quandry of making a decision about abortion.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostWait... are you expecting that if one political party loses they move on? That is not how it works. Both parties will continue to whine, debate, and push towards their agenda no matter the outcome. That is how it works.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostThe fight to erode or overturn abortion rights is being brought from one side. Your wish will never happen until that side accepts it. But keep on blaming both sides.
I think that the discussion from the other side should be - "hey, I get where you are coming from" - I dont agree - lets see if we can figure out how to make sure our kids dont have to worry about deciding about abortions.
Unfortunately - that is not the way the conversation goes. One side says its murder - the other says its not murder......
My point is that the pro-abortion side should just be stating that the conversation has been legally decided - lets move on and work together so our kids dont have to worry about this. Instead, they are still stuck in the point of justifying the decision.
We have to move past the decision and work together.......It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by DMT View PostOf course, but BG is acknowledging the fight should be over while blaming both sides that it's not. It would be over if the anti-abortion folks could accept they lost, but they never will, because they will never concede that not everyone believes abortion equals murder.
If RvW was overturned would Dems just give up?
No, neither side is going to give up, and it is naive and illogical to suggest that they will.
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Originally posted by DMT View PostI do understand. The problem is that most anti-abortion folks don't.
Originally posted by Fresno Bob View PostUntil it isn't, and the GOP is actively trying to "undecide it". 5 people on the Supreme Court can do a lot to remove this right
There is a push to differentiate late-term abortions from the others. A significant majority of Americans believe that a viable fetus constitutes sentient life. A significan minority of pro-choice are willing to make the same distinction. Not least in the considerations is that the woman has had significant time to take action and declined to so so. Rape, incest and birth defect objections are thus satisfied.
As an aside, I always found this issue a bit bizarre. Democrats are arguing for personal freedom and restricting regulation. Republicans favor increased regulation to protect the weak. That's exactly flipped from usual.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostSeems like you aren't listening, Gregg's point was valid.
If RvW was overturned would Dems just give up?
No, neither side is going to give up, and it is naive and illogical to suggest that they will.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by DMT View PostI was responding directly to BG's point that it's settled. So it seems you're the one not following the discussion.
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostI agree that one side is still challenging the legitimacy of the decision.
I think that the discussion from the other side should be - "hey, I get where you are coming from" - I dont agree - lets see if we can figure out how to make sure our kids dont have to worry about deciding about abortions.
Unfortunately - that is not the way the conversation goes. One side says its murder - the other says its not murder......
My point is that the pro-abortion side should just be stating that the conversation has been legally decided - lets move on and work together so our kids dont have to worry about this. Instead, they are still stuck in the point of justifying the decision.
We have to move past the decision and work together.......
They can't move on when they're busy fending off legal efforts to restrict access to abortion, shut down clinics, attack doctors or revoke their licenses, etc.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by Ken View PostI couldn't care less who you are replying to, I was referencing a post that was before yours. Try to keep up.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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