Can the government force you to exercise a "Right"?

[heyelander]

Partly Im grappling with "what is a right" (and all that is packed into it).

The other part is that when ACA was passed, part of the reasoning behind it was that "healthcare is a right for everyone". Im starting to think that line was a pile of BS. I do have concerns regarding Big Pharma/Insurance companies and how they have impacted our health care system. The idea that forcing every person to select an insurance plan - because the person has a right to healthcare just seems backwards in my mind.

If it is my right - I should get to choose how use it. It is the same thing as the government telling people that they have to "bear arms".

well, I think then you are looking at the wrong word there... it's not right to healthcare, it's right to everyone. Everyone should be able to have healthcare, so somehow we need to make that happen. We would have rather just made it gvm't and taxed you more... but that didn't work out. So now we are paying for it by making everyone buy healthcare, thus offsetting higher risk people.

I don't have kids... so should I be able to say, I'm not going to take advantage of the right to public education, so I'm not going to pay that portion of my taxes anymore? I pay them so everyone can get a public education.

I think the Right (choice) To Life speaks more euthanasia, the death penalty, suicide than it does to healthcare.

[heyelander]

Exactly correct. Thanks for stating this so clearly, something I obviously failed to do.

I gotta say, the door analogy was a bit confusing...

[Hi.I'm.Mandy]

I gotta say, the door analogy was a bit confusing...

Uhhhh, it might be easier to point to the parts of this thread that aren't confusing

[DMT]

Uhhhh, it might be easier to point to the parts of this thread that aren't confusing

[heyelander]

Uhhhh, it might be easier to point to the parts of this thread that aren't confusing

man... I just tried to write something as the "voice of reason" to focus this, but it's just a rabbit hole.

I hate the "You never answered my question" or the "Well explain yourself on this issue!" messages here... people shouldn't have to explain themselves if they don't want to... but......

seriously BG, what's your best solution here? It's gotta be just to deny treatment to people who can't afford it, whether they chose not to cover themselves or couldn't afford it in the first place, right?

semantics is fun, but if this is the case you are discussing, and you brought it up... what do we do?

[Hi.I'm.Mandy]

man... I just tried to write something as the "voice of reason" to focus this, but it's just a rabbit hole.

I hate the "You never answered my question" or the "Well explain yourself on this issue!" messages here... people shouldn't have to explain themselves if they don't want to... but......

So you are saying they have the right to free speech...and also the right to not speaking ? Or are you saying this is part of the same right ?

[heyelander]

So you are saying they have the right to free speech...and also the right to not speaking ? Or are you saying this is part of the same right ?

ha...

I find most of them to be like... I asked you a gotcha question and now I demand you answer it!

[baldgriff]

man... I just tried to write something as the "voice of reason" to focus this, but it's just a rabbit hole.

I hate the "You never answered my question" or the "Well explain yourself on this issue!" messages here... people shouldn't have to explain themselves if they don't want to... but......

seriously BG, what's your best solution here? It's gotta be just to deny treatment to people who can't afford it, whether they chose not to cover themselves or couldn't afford it in the first place, right?

semantics is fun, but if this is the case you are discussing, and you brought it up... what do we do?

Heyelander -
I have been noodling on this for quite a while. I would like to give you an answer (as best I can). In order to do that I need to write it up on a separate page and paste it in - which is going to take me some time.

Let me try and get this done in the next couple days.

[heyelander]

Heyelander -
I have been noodling on this for quite a while. I would like to give you an answer (as best I can). In order to do that I need to write it up on a separate page and paste it in - which is going to take me some time.

Let me try and get this done in the next couple days.

thanks man... take your time. I'm also not of the opinion that people need to have a solution to everything they are unhappy with. I was in full support of the kids that did the occupy wall-street thing... people criticized them for not having a solution... they were fuckin' kids! They were there to point out a problem, and it's our elected official's job to figure out how to take care of it.

At the same time... I do get sick of the thoughts and prayers thing. I'd rather someone just came out and said, hey, this is going to happen, people are going to die, it's part of the price of a free nation with the right to bear arms or whatever. I'd rather just hear, it's not fair for people to be asked to subsidize other people's health. We need to let people know, if you get sick and you don't have insurance, regardless of reason, you are shit out of luck.

There you go mandy (oops, almost outed you)... I am way off the rails now. happy?

[Kevin Seitzer]

Maybe the government should set up a non-profit or small profit insurance company that competes with the private sector.

Providing medical care for everyone...maybe we could call it...Medi-Care.

[The Feral Slasher]

Providing medical care for everyone...maybe we could call it...Medi-Care.

Uh oh, "They want to raid medicare to pay for socialism"

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1035348264344801282

[Sour Masher]

Uh oh, "They want to raid medicare to pay for socialism"

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1035348264344801282

That must be another move in his 3d chess game I'm too dumb to understand.

What do you think--does he think his followers will be too dumb to catch the absurdity of his statement, or is he too dumb to recognize the absurdity of his statement? If I thought he was well-versed in this subject, I suppose it would be fair to include a third option where Trump is aware of the disagreement and debate about the precise definition of socialism, but since most folks in his own party have long categorized medicare as an example of or at least move toward socialism, and since he seems to get most of his ideas and news from Fox News, I doubt this option.

FWIW, the first article that comes up on Google for the phrase is Breitbart, which leads with the phrase but does not point out how hilariously ignorant it is (which is odd, since Trump told me Google search buries conservative search results and only highlights fake news criticism of him).

[nullnor]

did anyone else find it ironic that Sarah Palin called the ACA 'death panels' while the GOP solution was to not have insurance and die?

Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself.

[Gregg]

ha...

I find most of them to be like... I asked you a gotcha question and now I demand you answer it!

I actually like it when people ask me gotcha questions. They typically make me question my own hypocrisy and challenge me to think things through.

[nullnor]

I actually like it when people ask me gotcha questions. They typically make me question my own hypocrisy and challenge me to think things through.

i like it. that's deep man.