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If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
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Originally posted by Ken View PostThat's anecdotal though. It's like someone who has been in a car accident saying you should never drive. Unless you have evidence of the contrary?
There are always stories about the bad things that happen - and there should be, those need to be addressed and fixed and in this case the murderer needs to be locked up. But you don't see 100,000 stories about how someone called a non-emergency line to check on someone and nothing negative happened. Why would you?
Making assumptions only on the .001% case is just bad logic.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by Ken View PostThat's anecdotal though. It's like someone who has been in a car accident saying you should never drive. Unless you have evidence of the contrary?
There are always stories about the bad things that happen - and there should be, those need to be addressed and fixed and in this case the murderer needs to be locked up. But you don't see 100,000 stories about how someone called a non-emergency line to check on someone and nothing negative happened. Why would you?
Making assumptions only on the .001% case is just bad logic.
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostNo offense taken.
I do not doubt that I am privileged in many ways. Having a bad experience with a policeman does not make me a brother in arms. It just means I got involved with a crappy policeman.
In this example Sour stated I am still dumbfounded, given the reputation of that police force, that her neighbor called for a check up on her. It is obvious that the neighbor did not think of the police department like Sour. I am suggesting that we often times beat ourselves up in hindsight. No offense to Sour. I am often in the same boat.
I think the math still supports calling the police even though this had a terrible and unacceptable outcome.
As an added terrible outcome, this community will now have to deal with the "feeling" that the police are now their enemies and not the right call.
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostYep, I agree with this 100%.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Posthttps://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/...lled-by-police
It actual--Black men/women are killed more often by police than their white counterparts. This is what several movements in the POC communities are trying to communicate to Non POC--being White has privilege--like not having to worry AS MUCH about being killed by the police.
Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostAs you've stated, most police interactions are routine and end without incident, but If and When things go wrong, they go wrong from POC more often than White folks.
That's what I believe DMT was referring to as Privileged logic.
Made up numbers and concepts, but hopefully the general concept is obvious. We focus on the worst case of situations - just because those worse case situations can happen (or happen more likely than they happen to someone else) doesn't make it rational to make choices based on those worst cases.
Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View Posthad the neighbor in this case acted ;like yours did and just checked in on her himself things might have ended differently.
Originally posted by GwynnInTheHall View PostNot that he's at fault (though he's stated that feels he is) but again, had he just checked in himself....
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Originally posted by DMT View PostComparing police brutality to car accidents is way off the mark.
Don't do that. You can compare anything for statistical purposes, trying to make it look like you are equating two things simply by comparing their statistical likelihood is low, you are better than that, I know this from many interactions.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostAnd if I am this neighbor's family or friend, that is what I am telling him--that this is not his fault, it is the bad cop's fault. But if I am that guy, I still feel horrible.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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[QUOTE=GwynnInTheHall;350515]Originally posted by Gregg View Post
Doesn't sound like a very pleasant existence.
We rarely lock the door before it's time to go to bed and there's always at least 2 windows open at all times (outside of the 3 days in Winter when it gets cold here in So Cal)
Circumstances of where I moved to over the years made it the best choice to lock the door. I probably could live the rest of my life not locking the door where I live, but that would cause anxiety.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostThat's a terrible way to have a discussion. No one is comparing them in their severity, we are using it as a way to discuss whether the neighbor was correct in his logic to try to help his neighbor.
Don't do that. You can compare anything for statistical purposes, trying to make it look like you are equating two things simply by comparing their statistical likelihood is low, you are better than that, I know this from many interactions.
Now, I'm not saying the neighbor should be condemned for calling the cops, see my posts above. But I'm also not saying that POC should ignore the reality that they are way more likely to be victimized by cops and thus much more hesitant to get them involved. It seems like you are making that argument, but correct me if you're not.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by Ken View PostI addressed this in my response to GITH.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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btw, i have tremendous respect for our spec ops military, and i have trust in the higher ranks of our fbi. the barrier to entry is so different with the level of training to becoming fbi, i do not cringe at thought of military or fbi leadership same way as some local leo. too many people have been admitted into ranks with too little training and too much baggage who power trip because they know they can get away with it. over past 10 years, more than 1k a year are killed by police, in total there are about 12 (1 dozen) convictions of these police. it takes such an open and shut case of gross negligence that is also captured on video to get a conviction of police.
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Originally posted by Gregg View PostI agree it would be, but I do not believe that was Ken's point or what I was agreeing with.
I hate it when people do this.
It's like if I say that around "1 out of every 10 people are left handed and 1 out of 6 women is the victim of sexual abuse" and someone were to respond "Oh my God, how can you compare those two??? One of them scars a woman for life, and the other just means they have to use a different pair of scissors".
The comparison of the likelihood of two events happening is not something we should push back on when we aren't comparing the severity events themselves. The pushback against comparisons of statistical odds between two unrelated items is silly.
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