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Originally posted by Gregg
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I was replying to your snarky comment suggesting that "we", i.e., the 50%+ of the 2016 Presidential election voters who went for Clinton, asserted to any material degree that "voter fraud, miscounts and broken machines" accounted for Trump's electoral college victory. Besides the Jill Stein "Hail Mary"/attention grab, I don't recall many Clinton voters putting much faith or stock in that narrative. -
democrats did well in this election, but I'm not sure its a wave. If you toss out one of the Roosevelt midterms (cant remember which but maybe 1942?) and 2002, both of which were under unusual circumstances, the presidents party loses about 40 house seats on average and I think usually loses in the Senate also.Originally posted by B-Fly View Post"The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe BidenComment
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"the 50%+ of the 2016 Presidential election voters who went for Clinton"
Hillary got 48.2 percent of the vote - so technically more people voted against her than for her, if you're scoring at homefinished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1Comment
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Since WWII, the average loss of seats in the House by the President's party is 26. This will likely be the most amount of House seats lost (-37) by a GOP president since Ford in 1974.Originally posted by cardboardbox View PostComment
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Yep, my bad. Trump got 46.1, Clinton 48.2, Johnson 3.3, Stein 1.1, Other 2.3.Originally posted by Judge Jude View PostComment
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Hillary got 48.2 percent of the vote - so technically more people voted against her than for her, if you're scoring at home
By that logic, did Trump have 53.9 percent vote "against" him, if we are adding Green and Libertarian, as you did with your number.Comment
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obviouslyfinished 10th in this 37th yr in 11-team-only NL 5x5
own picks 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 in April 2022 1st-rd farmhand draft
won in 2017 15 07 05 04 02 93 90 84
SP SGray 16, TWalker 10, AWood 10, Price 3, KH Kim 2, Corbin 10
RP Bednar 10, Bender 10, Graterol 2
C Stallings 2, Casali 1
1B Votto 10, 3B ERios 2, 1B Zimmerman 2, 2S Chisholm 5, 2B Hoerner 5, 2B Solano 2, 2B LGarcia 10, SS Gregorius 17
OF Cain 14, Bader 1, Daza 1Comment
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Which is why we shouldnt be using the "popular vote". Popular vote is worse for 3rd party candidates than the electoral college. If you really want to lock in the 2 major parties and see an increase in corporate campaign(ing) contributions get rid of the electoral college.Originally posted by gcstomp View Post
This is from Reddit (so I dont know if it is absolutely true) but it appears that New York City has a larger population that most of the states in the Union
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/com...than_new_york/
Yeah - going to the popular vote would be a really great thing.....It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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That argument doesn't make any sense to me. Why should an individual living in New York City have his/her vote weighted significantly lower than an individual living in North Dakota? If NYC has more people than North Dakota, NYC voters fairly should have more collective voting power than North Dakota voters, no?Originally posted by baldgriff View PostComment
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I seem to recall that the intention of the electoral college is to ensure that each state has a representative share towards the electoral process. Thats why NY gets more electoral votes than other states. As a Democratic Republic, we dont count each individuals vote on the Federal Level. We count each states votes for President.
Obviously, New York has more people, which is why they have more Representatives in the House, and each state is represented evenly in the Senate.
Checks and balances.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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I am not convinced having ones vote worth more than someone elses vote based on where they live is fair. While it is not a direct 3/5ths vote of black person to white type, it has some feel to that.
The current system has an archaic feel giving weight to last vestiges of plantation owners having more carry in their say than the freed black man type deal, but we have a convenient work around in electoral votes. Most people think we live in a democracy. Its not, its a hard to explain system called Constitutional Federal Republic. Maybe this is best system possible, I dont want to move anywhere else. I dunno if straight democracy would work best, but it is not a great selling point that you can effectively say someones vote has more weight than someone else.
I know we have lots of frustration with current system, and we have plenty of really amazing brilliant and deeply caring people out there who could never have a chance in the hunger games format to President that rewards the quip.Comment
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I volunteer as tribute???It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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"Going all the way back to the Civil War, there were only two instances when a new party seized the presidency but didn’t lose seats in the House during their first midterm elections: Under President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1934 (during the Great Depression), and President George W. Bush in 2002 (in the shadow of the 9/11 terrorist attacks). Even including these outliers, the average attrition during a party’s inaugural midterms is 35 House seats; excluding these two exceptions, the average loss is 41. Regardless of which number we run with, Trump could end up performing better than average in preserving his party’s influence in the House. He performed much better than his last two Democratic predecessors: Bill Clinton lost control of both chambers in the 1994 midterm elections. Barack Obama saw historic losses in the House in 2010, and lost seats in the Senate as well — the most sweeping congressional reversal in 62 years."Originally posted by revo View Post
As I said before, democrats did well, but maybe not the wave you want it to be."The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe BidenComment
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