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"The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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Originally posted by cardboardbox View Postand why does the popular vote matter?If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl Popper
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostIm not a conservative - Im just not as liberal as you.If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl Popper
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Originally posted by Redbirds Fan View PostJeez, CBB. Here is what you wrote: "As 2010 - 2016 showed, the electorate isnt as far left as you'd like to think they are." That is why the 2016 popular vote matters - it is an indication of how the electorate is thinking, a much better one than the Electoral College. Only 46% of the people bought Trump's far-right agenda. It would appear they are not as far right as you'd like to think they are. (It is difficult to call it a mandate when 54% of the people vote for someone else.)"The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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Originally posted by Redbirds Fan View PostHere's what I was going on. You have said many conservative things. And you have called yourself a "conservative". I took it as a corroborated confession.
I know among some people I know I am the lefty in the room.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostI have referred to myself here are a conservative, because quite frankly I am more conservative than 85% or more that participate in these discussions. I will lay out my politics for people to view and tell me whether I am conservative, liberal or what I call myself which is libertarian/centrist.
I know among some people I know I am the lefty in the room.
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostI have referred to myself here are a conservative, because quite frankly I am more conservative than 85% or more that participate in these discussions. I will lay out my politics for people to view and tell me whether I am conservative, liberal or what I call myself which is libertarian/centrist.
I know among some people I know I am the lefty in the room."The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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Originally posted by nots View PostI like the libertarian/centrist label--I might borrow that phrase. Where are you on the military?"The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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Originally posted by nots View PostI like the libertarian/centrist label--I might borrow that phrase. Where are you on the military?
I am proud of the country we live in and appreciate all the freedoms that come with it. Some may call me Nationalist - I dont like the connotation associated with it - I am definitely for the Home Team so to speak.It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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on second thought, this is going to be hard because I dont have strong opinions/positions on many things."The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden
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Originally posted by baldgriff View PostI believe in strong National Defense and maintaining our borders. I dont believe we should be the police for the world or should be trying to use the military to proselytize "Democracy and The American Dream". I also believe we should take care of those that have served to ensure that they have marketable skills and are able to find employment and have good medical care upon return. Our military veterans should not be sleeping on the streets of the country the served!
For instance, I'd say your beliefs match with my own fairly well, although I do think isolationism can go too far, and there are specific, limited situations where I think our great military power carries a responsibility to intervene with things like genocide and wide-scale atrocities. And the ways we protect our borders, and who we let in or not are probably areas of disagreement as well, even if we agree on the general need for protecting borders. But we both strongly agree that if we put folks out there to fight for our country, we need to take care of them when they come back.
Trump's stated positions match up with yours to an extent, although I suspect we'd disagree about the degree to which we should worry about divergence from his stated philosophies on this issue. I worry he will put his personal interests ahead of our country's in a way that may cause conflict, and/or will make a strategic mistake that can cause more conflict. And his goals of expanding military funding, and reigniting a nuclear arms race are both at best unnecessary to protect ourselves, and at worst catastrophic. If he focused more on helping veterans and less on nuclear weapons, I'm guessing, we'd both be happier.
I am not predicting that it is likely, but it is certainly possible that someone who talks and acts like Trump, in charge of the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world, and the biggest military by far, could be the answer to Fermi's Paradox. Maybe we don't find life on other planets, because, at some point, life keeps destroying itself.
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a libertarian/ centrist... is that even possible?
traditional political labels don't make a lot of sense any more. i can be left, right, liberal, or conservative to varying degrees depending on the issue and the specific circumstances surrounding it. people who want to put a political label on me before we can talk are usually more interested in the label than what i think.~ all in all is all we are ~
kc
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Next issue for me to expound my thoughts on?It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantra
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostAnd his goals of expanding military funding, and reigniting a nuclear arms race are both at best unnecessary to protect ourselves, and at worst catastrophic.
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by Cobain's Ghost View Posta libertarian/ centrist... is that even possible?
traditional political labels don't make a lot of sense any more. i can be left, right, liberal, or conservative to varying degrees depending on the issue and the specific circumstances surrounding it. people who want to put a political label on me before we can talk are usually more interested in the label than what i think.
"Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
- Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane
i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
- nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.
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