Democratic Party 2017 and beyond

[Bernie Brewer]

Hey I have the exact same viewpoint as Bernie on this and I'm sure I don't seem rational to you

So don't limit it to the rational folks.

Oh, look at Ken. Begging for a compliment!

Actually, I just told someone in my office that a person on the internet accused me of "seem(ing) like a rational person." She was not impressed.

Edited to add: :sarcasm mode off: By the way, I think you're very rational as evidenced by several post in this and another thread! :sarcasm mode back on:

[Ken]

Oh, look at Ken. Begging for a compliment!

Hahaha
No I really don't think DMT personally considers me rational and I'm okay with that! Not begging for any compliments.

It's just always interesting to me how much discourse there can be and in the end there's a lot of topics many of us actually agree on.

[DMT]

Hahaha
No I really don't think DMT personally considers me rational and I'm okay with that! Not begging for any compliments.

It's just always interesting to me how much discourse there can be and in the end there's a lot of topics many of us actually agree on.

I don't think I've ever accused you of being irrational. I feel like you tend to miss the point of some of my posts but that goes both ways I'm sure.

[Sour Masher]

I admit that there were some things Obama did that were disappointing, and he wasn't perfect (no one is, especially a president), but since some folks seem to forget that he managed to get more than the ACA done, despite tremendous obstructionism, I thought I'd post a link to his top 50 accomplishments. And for the record, the contrast between him and Trump could not be more stark. If he could run for a 3rd term, I'd happily vote for him, warts and all. Those disappointed in him probably had unrealistic expectations.

Note also that many of Obama's accomplishments have been reversed or undermined by Trump, and I think in all cases, the country is worse for it.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazi...nts-revisited/

[revo]

He didn't win. The biggest swing from a red district to a blue district was the NJ 11th, right next door to me, which swung from GOP +19 to Dem +13. The candidate was a relatively moderate navy pilot/prosecutor/mom, Mikie Sherrill. That basic strategy flipped almost the entire NJ congressional delegation.

My buddy, J. Ryan Martinez, ran as the Libertarian candidate in that district!

[Judge Jude]

My buddy, J. Ryan Martinez, ran as the Libertarian candidate in that district!

that's my district!

Sherrill was a very solid candidate who recognized that the R's federal tax law - capping state and local tax deductions (SALT) at $10K - was the core issue for much of the district (her opponent was the only NJ House member who voted for it). it's an affluent district, obviously, and that cap is perceived to harm (and presumably does harm) property values. so that's a pocketbook issue that trumps everything for many, so to speak.

she did break what was previously considered an unbreakable U.S. record by talking about being a helicopter pilot even more often than Giuliani mentioned "9/11" when running for President. hell, by the end she was in a commercial while flying a helicopter, no kidding.

Sherrill also is one of those who vowed not to support Pelosi as Speaker, in a popular play to R voters and some independents. she'll have to toe a moderate line to get re-elected in 2020, probably.

[B-Fly]

I admit that there were some things Obama did that were disappointing, and he wasn't perfect (no one is, especially a president), but since some folks seem to forget that he managed to get more than the ACA done, despite tremendous obstructionism, I thought I'd post a link to his top 50 accomplishments. And for the record, the contrast between him and Trump could not be more stark. If he could run for a 3rd term, I'd happily vote for him, warts and all. Those disappointed in him probably had unrealistic expectations.

Note also that many of Obama's accomplishments have been reversed or undermined by Trump, and I think in all cases, the country is worse for it.

https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazi...nts-revisited/

Absolutely, and particularly in those first two years with Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress, they passed a ton of outstanding legislation -- not remotely "just the ACA". A much more impressive record that what Trump has or hasn't accomplished with Republican majorities in both chambers of Congress. Again, while he wasn't perfect, I was not and am not disappointed in him. I wish he were still our President. Every day.

[frae]

Absolutely, and particularly in those first two years with Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress, they passed a ton of outstanding legislation -- not remotely "just the ACA". A much more impressive record that what Trump has or hasn't accomplished with Republican majorities in both chambers of Congress. Again, while he wasn't perfect, I was not and am not disappointed in him. I wish he were still our President. Every day.

Agreed, I was proud to have him as our President every day and i was pleased with the legislation that was passed. I honestly don't know anyone that was a Democrat that voted for him and was disappointed in his overall performance. We can quibble over things, but after 8 years of W and now 2 years of Trump if you are on the left or left-leaning you can't look at the Obama years as anything but a success.

I really miss being able to take a day or two off from the news cycle and know I probably wouldn't miss much.

[chancellor]

Marcia Fudge got to learn the hard way what happens to your career when you cross Nancy Pelosi.

[Sour Masher]

Marcia Fudge got to learn the hard way what happens to your career when you cross Nancy Pelosi.

You don't think her support for an abuser that may have led to his early release who just killed the woman he formerly abused would have come out sooner or later? No way that wouldn't come out during her next election, if not way before.

[DMT]

Marcia Fudge got to learn the hard way what happens to your career when you cross Nancy Pelosi.

"The hard way"...coming from someone who supports a mafia boss style for POTUS, that's rich.

[Sour Masher]

"The hard way"...coming from someone who supports a mafia boss style for POTUS, that's rich.

To be fair to Chance, I think he says this with respect for Pelosi. He is Emilo Estevez's dad from Breakfast Club, after all .

[onejayhawk]

"The hard way"...coming from someone who supports a mafia boss style for POTUS, that's rich.

Calling President Trump mafia style is rich. He's many things, but not that.

J

[Fresno Bob]

Calling President Trump mafia style is rich. He's many things, but not that.

J

More like The Three Stooges......Dick Cheney on the other hand ran things like an old school mob boss

[onejayhawk]

More like The Three Stooges......Dick Cheney on the other hand ran things like an old school mob boss

Better, but not right either. Cheney was an enforcer, not the boss.

J