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Originally posted by cardboardbox View Posthe might be more charismatic than the rest of the democrat field, but that really is a low bar to clear.If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
- Terence McKenna
Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)
How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostYes, being Obama-like as a candidate is a very good thing, regardless of skin color. And it's kind of absurd for you to suggest that the title is the point, when the actual piece clarifies what they mean:
He's the kind of candidate who could potentially energize and unite many segments of an incredibly diverse Democratic Party: young and old, moderate and progressive, men and women, white and non-white, white collar and blue collar. He's a very effective communicator who is positive and hopeful and who can articulate his positions and views in ways that are respectful of differing viewpoints.
I am, in fact, intrigued by him as a possible candidate for a lot of the same reasons I gravitated pretty early to Obama.
BUT - I do have mixed feeling about the electability of Beto - ideologically I am happy with his positions but is he too progressive for the centrist democrat.
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Originally posted by swampdragon View Postcalling onejay absurd is not worth your time
BUT - I do have mixed feeling about the electability of Beto - ideologically I am happy with his positions but is he too progressive for the centrist democrat.
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostI don't think he could have come as close in Texas as he did without being able to appeal well beyond the progressive left wing of the Democratic Party. I can't like to YouTube from the office, but the viral video of his response to a conservative white male's town hall question about the NFL flag/anthem protests shows a guy who can stay true to his values without demeaning or belittling folks who have strong contrary feelings on the issue. That's important to me as a pretty mainstream Democrat, and I think to a lot of centrists and independents as well.
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostI don't think he could have come as close in Texas as he did without being able to appeal well beyond the progressive left wing of the Democratic Party. I can't like to YouTube from the office, but the viral video of his response to a conservative white male's town hall question about the NFL flag/anthem protests shows a guy who can stay true to his values without demeaning or belittling folks who have strong contrary feelings on the issue. That's important to me as a pretty mainstream Democrat, and I think to a lot of centrists and independents as well.
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B-Fly, swampdragon, TS Garp... you're all wrong about the progressives vs. centrists in the midterms... Progressives did much better than their centrist counterparts in general. But I recognize that's been the common narrative in mainstream media, Politico and such, so I'm not surprised that's the common perception.
Governors races. Tester is much more progressive than Donnelly, and outperformed him bigtime... same with 2 other losers I cant remember the names of... the only example that fits the popular narrative is Joe Manchin (and now Sinema also), but most other races with progressives saw bigger swings than races with moderates. B-Fly responded once to me saying this by simply stating "you're wrong", but it doesn't really matter. 2020 approaches, and we'll see soon enough.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Also, I have a very different take on why Beto and Gillim each lost. Beto did not have an attack mode. If he was willing to be selectively vicious, I think he could have pushed over the top.
Gillum abandoned his progressive stance after the primary. Made appearances with Bloomberg, Hillary Clinton, Cory Booker, etc, as well as pivoted from talking about Medicare for all to talking about supporting Obamacare expansion or whatever... so I think both candidates tried to play it safe in some ways, and each paid for it.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostB-Fly responded once to me saying this by simply stating "you're wrong", but it doesn't really matter.
And the names you were searching for are Heitkamp and McCaskill.
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostB-Fly, swampdragon, TS Garp... you're all wrong about the progressives vs. centrists in the midterms... Progressives did much better than their centrist counterparts in general. But I recognize that's been the common narrative in mainstream media, Politico and such, so I'm not surprised that's the common perception.
Governors races. Tester is much more progressive than Donnelly, and outperformed him bigtime... same with 2 other losers I cant remember the names of... the only example that fits the popular narrative is Joe Manchin (and now Sinema also), but most other races with progressives saw bigger swings than races with moderates. B-Fly responded once to me saying this by simply stating "you're wrong", but it doesn't really matter. 2020 approaches, and we'll see soon enough.
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostAlso, I think this analysis misses the lede. Where the Democrats did the best by far was in the House, and what they did in the House was flip lots of districts that had been red for a pretty long time by running moderate candidates who they felt could win over independents and moderate Republicans in those districts. The strong consensus coming out of the midterms is that that decision - to compete everywhere by finding and promoting Democratic candidates who could appeal to the voters in those specific districts, including many right-leaning districts, paid off big time.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by B-Fly View PostAlso, I think this analysis misses the lede. Where the Democrats did the best by far was in the House, and what they did in the House was flip lots of districts that had been red for a pretty long time by running moderate candidates who they felt could win over independents and moderate Republicans in those districts. The strong consensus coming out of the midterms is that that decision - to compete everywhere by finding and promoting Democratic candidates who could appeal to the voters in those specific districts, including many right-leaning districts, paid off big time.
What's wrong with incremental change. The vast majority of people are in the middle. I voted for the Dem for the House because he was a moderate Democrat. When parties try to hit home runs they usually strike out. Hit singles and move runners around."Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
- Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane
i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
- nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.
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Its funny to me that the right wing and mainstream "left wing" media are both doing everything they can to discredit progressives. There was an interesting clip of Fox News bring up Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez over 30 times in 24 hours, host after host. The energy right now in the media is pretty strongly behind attacking all progressives. I really think it works in their favor, as progressives used to be laughed off, now they're vilified and talked about endlessly. As Trump showed, free media is good, whether the coverage is positive or negative. 70% of the country now supports Medicare for all, including 52% of Republicans! Millenials across the country supported Democrats by a 2-1 margin, and if you look at the polling data, millenials are radically left on issues. Probably further left than me. Run towards those voters, they wont be dead in 4 or 8 years, they're the future of the party.Larry David was once being heckled, long before any success. Heckler says "I'm taking my dog over to fuck your mother, weekly." Larry responds "I hate to tell you this, but your dog isn't liking it."
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Originally posted by Teenwolf View PostPretty sure the biggest house district swing in the country was Ojeda's 36 pts, but again, tell me if I'm wrong!
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