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  • B-Fly
    Hall of Famer
    • Jan 2011
    • 47853

    Originally posted by Bernie Brewer
    In the grand scheme is this Stormy thing even important? As someone on Twitter (where if you read you know it’s true) said he wasn’t getting BJs in the Oval Office. What have we really learned that we didn’t already know/heavily suspect? Nothing. He is ethically challenged and morally corrupt. How she got paid (funny my autocorrect changed that to “laid”) is maybe, or maybe not, important. I’m betting not, as he wasn’t elected President when he “dipped his pen in the non-government inkwell” and other than Melania’s vote against his behavior, it appears to have been consensual, between two people who knew exactly what they were doing. He: shtupping a pornstar. She: gettin paid! Pretty well, I might add. I would consider sleeping with Trump for $130,000! Consider.

    Or him and Melania, who by the way is still fine, as the kids say.

    Who am I kidding. I’m old.
    It's only important to whatever extent it opens the door to discovery that leads investigators/prosecutors to discover something worse among the communications and records of Trump and his surrogates. Something like communications with Russian officials to influence the election, or even illegal and/or abhorrent thuggery in their efforts to secure her silence leading up to or after execution of the contract and the $130,000 payment. If it's just Trump reaching a contractual agreement with a former paramour where she agrees not to speak about their affair in exchange for cash, then it's not important at all.

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    • OaklandA's
      Welcome to the Big Leagues, Kid
      • Jan 2011
      • 1492

      Originally posted by B-Fly
      It's only important to whatever extent it opens the door to discovery that leads investigators/prosecutors to discover something worse among the communications and records of Trump and his surrogates. Something like communications with Russian officials to influence the election, or even illegal and/or abhorrent thuggery in their efforts to secure her silence leading up to or after execution of the contract and the $130,000 payment. If it's just Trump reaching a contractual agreement with a former paramour where she agrees not to speak about their affair in exchange for cash, then it's not important at all.
      Another aspect to this is the blackmail factor. We've already seen with the Daniels and McDougal cases that Trump is willing to pay large sums of money to keep people quiet. Instead of payment, what if the demands were legislation or political appointments? This was one of the fears with the Russians - do they have something on Trump that explains why he is so reluctant to criticize Putin? Because we definitely know now that Trump has things in his past that he'll pay large sums to hide.

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      • Hornsby
        MVP
        • Jan 2011
        • 10518

        God, these people are just horrible, horrible...short sighted and without any empathy.

        Over 50,000 Hondurans who were allowed to live and work in U.S. since 1999 must leave, according to DHS memos
        The Department of Homeland Security will terminate the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) of Hondurans who were shielded from deportation in 1999 after Hurricane Mitch struck their country. DHS will give them until January 2020 to leave the United States or find another way to obtain legal residency.

        In the past six months, DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen has canceled TPS protections for 200,000 Salvadorans, 50,000 Haitians and 9,000 Nepalese, arguing that the short-term emergencies that prompted the designation no longer exist in those countries.

        Critics of the Trump administration call the moves short-sighted and inhumane, noting the TPS recipients have tens of thousands of U.S-born children. Honduras is too violent and unstable to absorb so many returnees, they say, and the country is already a major source of illegal immigration to the United States.
        WaPo Alerts...
        "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
        - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

        "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
        -Warren Ellis

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        • nullnor

          what kind of porn star name is stormy daniels. .. i wonder during the video if she says things like ' i'm so wet baby, i feel like my our tropical rain forest!'

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          • B-Fly
            Hall of Famer
            • Jan 2011
            • 47853

            Welp, there goes his Nobel Peace Prize.

            President Trump on Tuesday announced plans to leave the Iran nuclear deal, declaring the pact has failed to halt the country’s nuclear ambitions in perhaps the biggest foreign policy decision of his administration.

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            • nots
              Journeyman
              • Jan 2011
              • 2907

              Seems like a good move to me

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              • DMT
                MVP
                • Jan 2011
                • 12012

                Originally posted by nots
                Seems like a good move to me
                Coming from a self-described libertarian, please explain why?
                If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
                - Terence McKenna

                Bullshit is everywhere. - George Carlin (& Jon Stewart)

                How old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? - Satchel Paige

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                • nots
                  Journeyman
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 2907

                  Was never going to stop them from continuing their nuclear program. Waste of time. Weren’t they allowed to continue production after 2030 anyway? The less we are involved over there, the better.
                  PS-self described ‘quasi-liberatrian’. The whole ‘kill the Fed’ stuff the libs throw out all the time just kills any hope of becoming more mainstream.

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                  • B-Fly
                    Hall of Famer
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 47853

                    Originally posted by nots
                    Seems like a good move to me
                    Despite that every other party to the deal, the UK, France, Russia and China (plus obviously Iran) is saying that none of the Iranian commitments in the deal have been violated, and neither Trump nor Netanyahu nor anyone else has suggested they have evidence to the contrary?

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                    • Hornsby
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 10518

                      I think that it's just another typically shortsighted move by Trump. It's nothing more than a bone to his base, a "promise" that he kept from his campaign.

                      Better to stay involved, learn what you can, try to move the needle by being a part of the treaty. Being on the outside accomplishes exactly what?
                      "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
                      - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

                      "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
                      -Warren Ellis

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                      • nots
                        Journeyman
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 2907

                        Great—let France, Russia, China et al carry the ball on this one.

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                        • Sour Masher
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 10425

                          Originally posted by nots
                          Great—let France, Russia, China et al carry the ball on this one.
                          Even if you didn't agree with the deal originally, don't you think it is a serious problem for our country long term to set the precedent that deals agreed to by our leaders can be broken by subsequent leaders without any evidence of breech of contract on those deals? Regardless on whether it was a good deal or not, I think it is a serious mistake to withdrawal from this deal without cause. It erodes trust from our allies and adversaries, and creates significant challenges in getting future deals done.

                          Edit: Trump seems to be pulling out primarily to set himself up as a tough guy when dealing with N. Korea. I think whatever edge is gained by doing that is not worth the loss of faith the international community has in us honoring commitments we make.

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                          • nots
                            Journeyman
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 2907

                            Originally posted by Sour Masher
                            Even if you didn't agree with the deal originally, don't you think it is a serious problem for our country long term to set the precedent that deals agreed to by our leaders can be broken by subsequent leaders without any evidence of breech of contract on those deals? Regardless on whether it was a good deal or not, I think it is a serious mistake to withdrawal from this deal without cause. It erodes trust from our allies and adversaries, and creates significant challenges in getting future deals done.
                            That’s a fair point

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                            • B-Fly
                              Hall of Famer
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 47853

                              Originally posted by Sour Masher
                              Even if you didn't agree with the deal originally, don't you think it is a serious problem for our country long term to set the precedent that deals agreed to by our leaders can be broken by subsequent leaders without any evidence of breech of contract on those deals? Regardless on whether it was a good deal or not, I think it is a serious mistake to withdrawal from this deal without cause. It erodes trust from our allies and adversaries, and creates significant challenges in getting future deals done.
                              Agreed and well stated.

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                              • chancellor
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 11653

                                Originally posted by Sour Masher
                                Even if you didn't agree with the deal originally, don't you think it is a serious problem for our country long term to set the precedent that deals agreed to by our leaders can be broken by subsequent leaders without any evidence of breech of contract on those deals?
                                Huh? They have at least two heavy water violations - see the IAEA documents https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/f...restricted.pdf and https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/f...gov2016-55.pdf

                                Iran has also been in violation of inspections under Section T of the agreement.

                                Now, the Obama administration saw fit not to pursue closing the agreement due to those breaches. We may (and probably will) disagree about the wisdom of not doing that, but that the violations occurred is both certain and documented.

                                It erodes trust from our allies and adversaries, and creates significant challenges in getting future deals done.
                                I think most of our allies and adversaries are smart enough to realize when a president lacks Senate support from his own party and subsequently does not submit the agreement to the Senate for treaty approval, the odds of an agreement surviving the president who agreed to it is slim at best.
                                I'm just here for the baseball.

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