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  • The racial divide in the voting number in Alabama was frankly frightening...White women and men were apparently willing to overlook a track record and vote for a man who was tossed out of the Judiciary TWICE for ethics violations, and pretty credibly accused of preying on young girls and women. Whites voted for Moore in the 70% plus range, while Blacks voted for Jones well over 90 percent.

    I'm not sure that we can look this as much of a harbinger of anything, other than GOTV efforts are vital to both parties.
    "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
    - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

    "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
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    • Originally posted by Hornsby View Post
      The racial divide in the voting number in Alabama was frankly frightening...White women and men were apparently willing to overlook a track record and vote for a man who was tossed out of the Judiciary TWICE for ethics violations, and pretty credibly accused of preying on young girls and women. Whites voted for Moore in the 70% plus range, while Blacks voted for Jones well over 90 percent.

      I'm not sure that we can look this as much of a harbinger of anything, other than GOTV efforts are vital to both parties.
      Something like 96%, due in large part to the fact that Doug Jones worked tirelessly as a Prosecutor to bring KKK murderers to justice, not an easy or popular task in Alabama.
      If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl Popper

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      • I was really opposed when Trump nominated Sessions as AG, but I feel sure Trump wishes now he had looked in another direction.

        Sessions' resignation from the Senate gave him the Strange/Moore debacle followed by the Moore debacle followed by the Moore/Jones debacle, and now he has a Democratic Senator from Alabama for the first time in decades.

        Only because Sessions recused from the Russia investigation, was it possible for Rosenstein to appoint Mueller as special counsel. Rosenstein, of course, was also a Trump appointee.

        During the process, Trump and his cronies have turned on Sessions, Strange, Moore and now Rosenstein. It is clear that you can be Trump's boy up until the point that you don't carry his water. Funny that people don't seem to figure this out. Now Omarosa is on the bricks.
        If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl Popper

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        • Originally posted by Redbirds Fan View Post
          I was really opposed when Trump nominated Sessions as AG, but I feel sure Trump wishes now he had looked in another direction.

          Sessions' resignation from the Senate gave him the Strange/Moore debacle followed by the Moore debacle followed by the Moore/Jones debacle, and now he has a Democratic Senator from Alabama for the first time in decades.

          Only because Sessions recused from the Russia investigation, was it possible for Rosenstein to appoint Mueller as special counsel. Rosenstein, of course, was also a Trump appointee.

          During the process, Trump and his cronies have turned on Sessions, Strange, Moore and now Rosenstein. It is clear that you can be Trump's boy up until the point that you don't carry his water. Funny that people don't seem to figure this out. Now Omarosa is on the bricks.
          And dragged out kicking and screaming!

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          • Originally posted by Redbirds Fan View Post
            Now Omarosa is on the bricks.
            She's fired!
            "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

            "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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            • It was just so damned depressing watching the confirmation hearing yesterday for Trump's new judicial appointments. One guy admitted that he had never tried a single case, not one, in state or federal court. He had not even argued a motion. He could not say what motion in limine meant. He wasn't familiar with the Younger doctrine of abstention nor the Pullman doctrine. These are not obscure legal concepts. They are the bread and butter of federal judges, things that come up day.

              There is at least an argument for putting someone like Rick Perry in charge of our nuclear power. Even though he doesn't know fusion from fission, he is an administrator and can put a lot of scientists around him. But a judge is the guy who does the actual work and must have an absolute mastery of the subject matter. The people he is nominating are ideologically correct but have no qualifications for the job.

              Conservatives whine and bawl about political correctness. The true peril to our democracy appears instead to be ideological correctness. Pledge allegiance to Trump and all your wildest dreams will come true.
              If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl Popper

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              • Originally posted by Redbirds Fan View Post
                It was just so damned depressing watching the confirmation hearing yesterday for Trump's new judicial appointments. One guy admitted that he had never tried a single case, not one, in state or federal court. He had not even argued a motion. He could not say what motion in limine meant. He wasn't familiar with the Younger doctrine of abstention nor the Pullman doctrine. These are not obscure legal concepts. They are the bread and butter of federal judges, things that come up day.

                There is at least an argument for putting someone like Rick Perry in charge of our nuclear power. Even though he doesn't know fusion from fission, he is an administrator and can put a lot of scientists around him. But a judge is the guy who does the actual work and must have an absolute mastery of the subject matter. The people he is nominating are ideologically correct but have no qualifications for the job.

                Conservatives whine and bawl about political correctness. The true peril to our democracy appears instead to be ideological correctness. Pledge allegiance to Trump and all your wildest dreams will come true.
                They aren't being confirmed by the POS.
                If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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                • Originally posted by Redbirds Fan View Post
                  It was just so damned depressing watching the confirmation hearing yesterday for Trump's new judicial appointments. One guy admitted that he had never tried a single case, not one, in state or federal court. He had not even argued a motion. He could not say what motion in limine meant. He wasn't familiar with the Younger doctrine of abstention nor the Pullman doctrine. These are not obscure legal concepts. They are the bread and butter of federal judges, things that come up day.

                  There is at least an argument for putting someone like Rick Perry in charge of our nuclear power. Even though he doesn't know fusion from fission, he is an administrator and can put a lot of scientists around him. But a judge is the guy who does the actual work and must have an absolute mastery of the subject matter. The people he is nominating are ideologically correct but have no qualifications for the job.

                  Conservatives whine and bawl about political correctness. The true peril to our democracy appears instead to be ideological correctness. Pledge allegiance to Trump and all your wildest dreams will come true.
                  And the REAL shitty part of this deal is that, if confirmed, they have that job for life.
                  "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
                  - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

                  "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
                  -Warren Ellis

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                  • Originally posted by Hornsby View Post
                    And the REAL shitty part of this deal is that, if confirmed, they have that job for life.
                    It's appalling. Almost nothing angers me more about this administration than the utter disregard the American people had in electing him, and the utter disregard he in turn has shown in making appointments to the importance of experience, intelligence, empathy, professionalism, and competency. All he cares about is loyalty, all else be damned. If Hodor were here insisting that Trump is what we deserve for putting up HRC against him, and he isn't/won't do any real, long term damage, this sort of thing is pretty clear evidence that he is. He has filled so many incredibly important positions with people who are a) ideologically opposed to the very idea of the organization they are in charge in existing or functioning, b) have absolutely no clue what the hell they are doing, or c) both of the above. Their actions, on the environment, education, matters of state and commerce, will affect all of our lives for many years to come. These appointments being for life make them among the most egregious.

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                    • Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
                      It's appalling. Almost nothing angers me more about this administration than the utter disregard the American people had in electing him, and the utter disregard he in turn has shown in making appointments to the importance of experience, intelligence, empathy, professionalism, and competency. All he cares about is loyalty, all else be damned. If Hodor were here insisting that Trump is what we deserve for putting up HRC against him, and he isn't/won't do any real, long term damage, this sort of thing is pretty clear evidence that he is. He has filled so many incredibly important positions with people who are a) ideologically opposed to the very idea of the organization they are in charge in existing or functioning, b) have absolutely no clue what the hell they are doing, or c) both of the above. Their actions, on the environment, education, matters of state and commerce, will affect all of our lives for many years to come. These appointments being for life make them among the most egregious.
                      Since the Republicans like changing the rules when they're in power, we can only hope the Dems do the same when they inevitably get back into power. And one rule change should be eliminating this "appointment for life" fiasco. After seeing the dopes Trump has put up for appointment, I'm sure no one will have a real issue with it!

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                      • Originally posted by Hornsby View Post
                        And the REAL shitty part of this deal is that, if confirmed, they have that job for life.
                        I think Lucky is talking about the nominees that are not getting confirmed.

                        edit: no those were two different nominees that had their nominations pulled.
                        Last edited by cardboardbox; 12-15-2017, 02:11 PM.
                        "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

                        "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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                        • Originally posted by revo View Post
                          Since the Republicans like changing the rules when they're in power, we can only hope the Dems do the same when they inevitably get back into power. And one rule change should be eliminating this "appointment for life" fiasco. After seeing the dopes Trump has put up for appointment, I'm sure no one will have a real issue with it!
                          Arent these nominees getting through due to the rules Reid put in place?
                          "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

                          "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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                          • Originally posted by cardboardbox View Post
                            Arent these nominees getting through due to the rules Reid put in place?
                            True, but the GOP certainly wasn't eager to reverse this when they got into power.

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                            • Originally posted by revo View Post
                              True, but the GOP certainly wasn't eager to reverse this when they got into power.
                              Why would they? If they had, democrats would have simply changed it again when it suited them, just like they did in 2013.
                              "The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times

                              "For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe Biden

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                              • Originally posted by cardboardbox View Post
                                Arent these nominees getting through due to the rules Reid put in place?
                                Doesn't matter whose rules they are getting confirmed under. They shouldn't have been nominated. They shouldn't get a single vote in committee. They shouldn't get a single vote from the Senate. Arguing about whose rules are whose just shows how fucked up and partisan the process has become.
                                If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl Popper

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