President Donald Trump

[cardboardbox]

Well, that's the trick, isn't it - how do you coax a core of angry, anti-establishment voters back into your establishment party? If they're going to dump Trump-ism, they're going to have to replace it with something a lot more attractive than Dubya-ism - that's what got their base so pissed off in the first place, IMO.

If they were to ask me, I'd tell them to go back and honestly review what about the Dubya administration alienated so much of their traditional conservative base. I'd suggest:

1) They promised to reduce spending; instead, they increased spending.

I dont think Trump voters want reduced spending.

[GwynnInTheHall]

This is a popular opinion, but what are the facts to support it? I hear it often from Bernie supporters. We know now that Russian operatives spread Hillary disinformation, negative internet articles, and literally millions of 'hate' posts where Bernie supporters gathered, all in order to drive up her negatives. I personally remember countless posts and links to articles that I knew were phony, and wondering where all that stuff was coming from.

Data tells a different story. Even with all the negatives, even with the Russians, even with Wikileaks, she beat Trump by three million votes. She came within 100,000 votes of equaling Obama's vote total from 2012.

So why do people say she was a horrible candidate? Because people made unfounded charges against her? Should she have beaten Trump by four million votes? The Hillary haters say Trump won because the Dems ran a terrible candidate, as if sixty million people didn't pull the lever for him.

Jesus H Christ are you that much in denial?

Keep blaming everyone except Hillary and the DNC--it only makes you look foolish

Face it, you supported an unethical cheater who used a system which ISN'T about representing the will of the people, but rather the people in charge of the DNC.

She lost because of a myriad of reasons, most of them her own doing.

Accept it and move on.

[Redbirds Fan]

does it matter what he calls it? Isnt socialism a good thing to most democrats?

Why do you want to act dumb? You know the reason it matters is because Ryan means it as an insult. It is hypocritical because SS was great when he needed it, but now that he is a one-percenter it's is some type of social evil.

And hey, isn't Fascism a good thing to most Republicans?

[The Feral Slasher]

Well, that's the trick, isn't it - how do you coax a core of angry, anti-establishment voters back into your establishment party?

I thought this was about the Democratic Party when i first read it.

[mjl]

well, let's see if Robert Mueller can learn anything new before Trump fires him.

[cardboardbox]

Why do you want to act dumb? You know the reason it matters is because Ryan means it as an insult. It is hypocritical because SS was great when he needed it, but now that he is a one-percenter it's is some type of social evil.

And hey, isn't Fascism a good thing to most Republicans?

sure he means it as an insult but that doesn't mean you have to be offended. If the far left tries to insult something by calling it capitalist, I'm not offended at all.

[Redbirds Fan]

Jesus H Christ are you that much in denial?

Keep blaming everyone except Hillary and the DNC--it only makes you look foolish

Face it, you supported an unethical cheater who used a system which ISN'T about representing the will of the people, but rather the people in charge of the DNC.

She lost because of a myriad of reasons, most of them her own doing.

Accept it and move on.

I supported Bernie, but when he lost I didn't cry, take my marbles and go home. I kept trying to save the country from a madman. Too many Bernie supporters bailed.

Stop whining. Bernie didn't get cheated out of the election. Your gut feelings aren't evidence, no matter how much you want to believe. Yeah, people at the DNC talked bad about Bernie a few times. Did that cause him to lose 30 out of 41 primaries?

You'd rather have seen Trump win than Hillary. You made that clear. There's no personal integrity in that. Bernie was man enough (and thought enough of her) to campaign for her.

I don't know anyone...anyone...who says that Hillary wasn't at fault for losing this election. That's a tired straw man used by many here on the board. It's a lie to say I blame everyone except Hillary and the DNC. But I will challenge those who try to deflect their own responsibility for their own actions or inactions by saying this was all Hillary's fault.

And don't tell me about the system. You don't understand the system. You've admitted as much. Accept that and move on.

[Edit: I've been ignoring your posts for many weeks now, but I opened this one and decided it was so over-the-top I had to respond. Next time you decide it is necessary to engage your BernieBro outrage and denigrate me for voting Hillary, why not just send me a PM and spare our fellow RJ posters the agony?]

[Redbirds Fan]

sure he means it as an insult but that doesn't mean you have to be offended. If the far left tries to insult something by calling it capitalist, I'm not offended at all.

I think we should all be offended by hypocrisy in our halls of government. If successful people remembered the things and people who helped them get where they are today, the world might be a better place.

[gcstomp]

Redbird you have demonstrated admirable patience with Gith, and you state exactly what most reasonable people know, as you broke down in your post. I used to spend time on this side of boards when I thought there was genuine thoughtful discourse, but at some point the snark swamp was enough I realized I was in a kiddie pool with the same group peeing on themselves. Carry on, but when GITH suggests you are in denial or look like a fool, know he is only speaking for himself, and some deep twisted hate for HRC which just is as wrong as wrong can be.

[DMT]

Redbird you have demonstrated admirable patience with Gith, and you state exactly what most reasonable people know, as you broke down in your post. I used to spend time on this side of boards when I thought there was genuine thoughtful discourse, but at some point the snark swamp was enough I realized I was in a kiddie pool with the same group peeing on themselves. Carry on, but when GITH suggests you are in denial or look like a fool, know he is only speaking for himself, and some deep twisted hate for HRC which just is as wrong as wrong can be.

Yea, I agree and I'm sure he already knows this.

[gcstomp]

As far as Putin, you have to give him props for playing chess when others are playing checkers. He had as goal to disrupt US trust in election process, check. He wanted to install a stooge easily manipulated into Presidency, check. For less than the cost of a modern bomber, he effectively staged a coup, with no more than 1000 hired hackers filling internet with millions of bot auto responses, that accounted for as much as 2/3rds of all posting activity on some political message boards pre election, causing such noise that all reasonable discussion was effectively impossible. You typed in a key word, say Hillary, in a post, and within seconds you could see the auto post of some profoundly insulting meme of HRC with some inane caption. Putin is still shaping the voice of the lowbrow masses in various ww elections, why give up something proven to be so effective.

[Redbirds Fan]

Redbird you have demonstrated admirable patience with Gith, and you state exactly what most reasonable people know, as you broke down in your post. I used to spend time on this side of boards when I thought there was genuine thoughtful discourse, but at some point the snark swamp was enough I realized I was in a kiddie pool with the same group peeing on themselves. Carry on, but when GITH suggests you are in denial or look like a fool, know he is only speaking for himself, and some deep twisted hate for HRC which just is as wrong as wrong can be.

Thanks, but I'll probably regret not keeping my peace a little longer.

In other news, special counsel appointed. Every day brings an exciting new headline.

[Hornsby]

Jesus Christ, the election is over and done with, let the historians deal with it, and they will. Trump was elected by everyone who voted for him, every state that he carried, nothing more, nothing less is important. Focus on the here and now, what we can do about the child inhabiting the Oval Office. And changing the damn country for the better, one again. Make America Great Again, my ass, it's more like Make America Pay again.

[GwynnInTheHall]

I supported Bernie, but when he lost I didn't cry, take my marbles and go home. I kept trying to save the country from a madman. Too many Bernie supporters bailed.

Stop whining. Bernie didn't get cheated out of the election. Your gut feelings aren't evidence, no matter how much you want to believe. Yeah, people at the DNC talked bad about Bernie a few times. Did that cause him to lose 30 out of 41 primaries?

You'd rather have seen Trump win than Hillary. You made that clear. There's no personal integrity in that. Bernie was man enough (and thought enough of her) to campaign for her.

I don't know anyone...anyone...who says that Hillary wasn't at fault for losing this election. That's a tired straw man used by many here on the board. It's a lie to say I blame everyone except Hillary and the DNC. But I will challenge those who try to deflect their own responsibility for their own actions or inactions by saying this was all Hillary's fault.

And don't tell me about the system. You don't understand the system. You've admitted as much. Accept that and move on.

[Edit: I've been ignoring your posts for many weeks now, but I opened this one and decided it was so over-the-top I had to respond. Next time you decide it is necessary to engage your BernieBro outrage and denigrate me for voting Hillary, why not just send me a PM and spare our fellow RJ posters the agony?]

Yeah I don't buy that you've only read this one, it was a direct confrontation I crafted to elicit a response.

I know what you believe, and I have no doubt you've been following the lawsuit brought by Sanders supporters and what the counsel defending the DNC has said.

I understand the system, I think it's broken and I think you spent so many years in the system you think it's allok or don;t have to desire to change it. I guess if you live in shit long enough you stop noticing the stink.

As long as you don;t take any responsibility for supporting a flawed system and refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of those who felt slighted by her and the DNC, I'll continue to call you out so there will be no PM's I tried that but you just can't admit your way of thinking (and others like you) is ALSO a factor in why Trump was elected and yes, I'll support anyone who runs against Clinton should she try to run for any office, that is if I can legally vote against her. While it's true I have no love for her, it's based in fundamental decency, which she lacks. You can hold you nose and vote for her if you'd like (and you have) But I have more integrity than that, so enjoy the strokes from your fellow HRC supporters, know I'm not alone on this board regarding my take on the election, HRC and your position when it comes to her.

G'head put me back on almost ignore.

[GwynnInTheHall]

Redbird you have demonstrated admirable patience with Gith, and you state exactly what most reasonable people know, as you broke down in your post. I used to spend time on this side of boards when I thought there was genuine thoughtful discourse, but at some point the snark swamp was enough I realized I was in a kiddie pool with the same group peeing on themselves. Carry on, but when GITH suggests you are in denial or look like a fool, know he is only speaking for himself, and some deep twisted hate for HRC which just is as wrong as wrong can be.

I do not hate anyone, I have no respect for those with no integrity, no ethics and HRC has neither. If you say she does, you're wrong--incorrect I can offer proof and you can't refute it honestly.

You CAN parse it to say she was just using the system, but you know that Legal and ethical are two different things.

I may be beating a dead horse and adamant about keeping her shit in view, but I'm not wrong.