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Originally posted by Moonlight J
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We spent about fifty million dollars on those cruise missiles. If the gesture was purely symbolic, we should have used virtual missiles and saved the money.If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl Popper -
the surgical and strategic air strike didn't stop the planes from taking off today & no planes were damaged. Other than wagging the dog, what purpose did it serve?Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostComment
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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It was never intended to serve a purposeOriginally posted by Moonlight J View Post---------------------------------------------
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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AgreedOriginally posted by Redbirds Fan View Post---------------------------------------------
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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I'll allow the immortal Mr. Miyagi to answer your question. "Walk left side, safe. Walk right side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later...get squish just like grape."Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostIf we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl PopperComment
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U didn't answer the questionOriginally posted by Redbirds Fan View Post---------------------------------------------
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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You don't have to convince me it's a bad idea. Syrian intervention was a bad idea when Obama was pushing for it, and it's still a bad idea. Let the UN handle it.Originally posted by Moonlight J View Post
I just found the strike at Russia's ally to be at odds with the "Russian puppet" narrative. But since he notified the Russians beforehand, apparently the narrative still works for you."When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."Comment
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Just something else to discuss that keeps us from seeing something else.Originally posted by Moonlight J View PostIt is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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If he wants to build a wall - build it around the middle east and let them destroy themselves.Originally posted by senorsheep View PostIt is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years and we must stop it.
Bill Clinton 1995, State of the Union Address
"When they go low - we go High" great motto - too bad it was a sack of bullshit. DNC election mantraComment
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So I guess the conclusion is that Trump doesn't consider Russia our enemy. I'm really not that disappointed in that, there are many more concerns I have regarding Trump. The whole Hillary fan/Dem anger at Russia is just childish. Get over it and move on.Originally posted by Moonlight J View Post
Edit: Or just explain how starting a new cold war with Russia benefits me or you or anyone. Or why one missile strike in Syria is significant at all regardless of if we destroyed there planes or didn't destroy them.Last edited by The Feral Slasher; 04-07-2017, 03:49 PM.---------------------------------------------
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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Anytime we unleash a military assault upon another sovereign nation it is "significant". It is an act of war, regardless of whether it was provoked or justified. We don't yet know what the outcome will be, but there is no question that the President's actions have dramatically raised the stakes.Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
If North Korea lobbed 59 missiles into the Montana wilderness next week, would you wonder whether that was 'significant'? Would it matter whether they blew up anything but rocks and dirt?If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl PopperComment
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The more I think about this, the more I think this was a decision made by the military, not wanting to escalate the situation by killing a bunch of Russians. Probably not a bad call.Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View PostIf we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. - Karl PopperComment
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I agree with you but would add that Russia is most certainly not our friend.Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
Not directly in response to your post, but it's pretty clear that chemical weapons were used. I think it's clear what Hillary would have done were she President. Would this change the visceral response of some of the liberals? Because she was clear a day or two ago saying she'd "take out his airfields." So Trump's response is wrong?!?! Please reconcile that for me. What we've been told is US military claims to have near certain proof and near certain evidence of who used them, Bashar al-Assad. Just like when the line in the sand was drawn in 2013, should the US or the West have once again done nothing? How did that work out in the past? Not just 2013, but whenever the US stands by ideally watching as genocide or atoricites occur around the world. I'm not a hawk by any means but I don't think standing by gets us anything.
For those suggesting Trump forewarned the Russians, let's say just for argument that US military didn't use "deconfliction channels" to forewarn Russia and 59 Tomahawks blew the crap out of a bunch of their forces, would you really rather find out how that turns out?
I applaud the response. To suggest it was done to distract from something else is weak. Yes, I know he does that routinely but not with bombs in foreign countries. I guess as Chase would say "your mileage may vary". I think it was a good call and will hold final judgment until we see "what's next".I know in my heart that man is good. That what is right will always eventually triumph and there is purpose and worth to each and every life.
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If Trump does it, its wrong.Originally posted by Bernie Brewer View Post
Glad I could clear that up for you."The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable." -NY Times
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real, whether or not she forgets facts" - Joe BidenComment
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