Week 5 Discussion Thread

[Judge Jude]

Giants later got hosed on a question of Eagles catch near midfield. called good, Giants called timeout, THEN threw the challenge flag - hey, you guessed it again, not overturned (Perreira and I disagree), so TWO timeouts used.

then on Eli's INT down 22-21 in 4th, he got smacked in the helmet just before - well, throwing a dead duck into his lineman's helmet. It bounced to an Eagle, and Eagles almost immediately scored a TD. But Pereira said it wasn't enough to warrant a call - no Giant fan will agree.

Wow, Giants tie an NFL record set by Chicago for allowing 31+ pts in 5 straight games. No, not the Bears - the 1954 Chicago Cardinals, not only before the Cardinals moved to Arizona but even before they moved to St. Louis.

I'm thinking Eli's 3 4th-qtr INTs today and 7 overall this year (well, overall 4th qtr - for all quarters he's up to 12) is a lot.

Of course, the one had the helmet slap and one the guy took the ball away from Cruz, and then the guy ran the wrong route and then - but if he throws one up and his guy makes a catch with his helmet, that credit all goes to Eli, I get it...


Tannehill for Miami made a stellar 4th and 10 pass from own 20 for 46 yards, but his receivers have butterfingers and he got an awful sack to force a 57-yder. Well, Dolphins didn't go for it on 4th and 15. That coach and QB learned something today about how to manage those spots, maybe...

[Roto Rooter]

I don't think the Giants will even win one game this season. Is this what it feels like to be a Jets fans?

[revo]

Mike Wallace & Charles Clay were drop machines on the Dolphins' final drive.

[revo]

I don't think the Giants will even win one game this season. Is this what it feels like to be a Jets fans?

Worse. Jet fans expect putridity.

[Judge Jude]

I don't think the Giants will even win one game this season. Is this what it feels like to be a Jets fans?

For all that busting on Eli, he's not bad enough a QB to lose 16 games, especially with those receivers. He has no RBs or OLs and no D, but he'll win 3 or 4.

Ralph Vacchiano @RVacchianoNYDN 15m

"In 1987, after starting 0-5, the Giants won 3 of their next 4. ... In 1979 they went on to win 4 straight and 5 of 6. ... So there's that."

'87 Giants went 0-3 with bad scabs because their GM missed the mark in finding The Replacements; no surprise their real team got its act together. But 1979 is sort of interesting, if irrelevant.

[Roto Rooter]

Jerry Reese made his rep on one good draft. After that it was all down hill. IMO this season is all on the GM.

[Judge Jude]

Well, it's an unprecedented good news-bad news situation.

The only outstanding Coughlin Giants team was 2008 - a year AFTER they won the Super Bowl with a team that wasn't all that - 10-6 with 5 double-digit losses. So they still saunter into 2009 and 2010 thinking they've got it made - and miss the playoffs. They get lucky to even make it in 2011 - 9-7 and got outscored by the opposition (lol but true), but more lightning in a bottle and now the "dynasty" is complete.

The Giants in 2012 again have a better team a year AFTER their Super Bowl winner (9-7 again, but crushed some great teams and lost some close games), but don't make the playoffs because a rival finally won 10 games. Still, they feel like they have a "Super" aura - this is a franchise that posted a "Super Bowl Countdown Clock" at their training facility before the season. Sure, the game is in their stadium this year, but there's some hubris there.

Now they're looking at having missed the playoffs for the 4th time in 5 years, and having advanced in the playoffs only twice in the 10-year Coughlin Era.

But what fan wouldn't take that tradeoff - two Super Bowl wins and - well, mostly not that pretty otherwise, but did I mention the two Super Bowl wins?

[revo]

just a few days after trading away Eugene Monroe, the Jags lose Luke Joeckel for the season to a broken ankle.

[Judge Jude]

Romo is really good but.... he needs that psychologist that A-Rod went to before the 2009 season. A-Rod showed up, admitted that he and Jeter couldn't stand each other, and so on - then carried the Yankees on his back to their only World Series win since 2000. Tony has something he needs to share with the rest of the class, I swear.

Meanwhile, not sure we can start etching the Lombardi Trophy for those Broncos just yet. The D - eh. And I'm sure Peyton loves that this Super Bowl will be played not in a dome or a hot spot, but Eli's chilly outdoor home in NJ. Might be a good site for a team with a good defense..

AFC West now 8-1 vs NFC East already thru 5 weeks; they only play 7 more combined games against them in the last 12 weeks.

[chancellor]

Hey, elD - your Raiders fans outdid themselves here: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...5338--nfl.html

Just great, man. Where's the darn "not worthy" smiley again?

[Judge Jude]

AFC
EAST - Patriots 4-1, Dolphins 3-2, Jets 2-2*, Bills 2-3
NORTH - Ravens 3-2, Browns 3-2, Bengals 3-2, Steelers 0-4
SOUTH - Colts 4-1,Titans 3-2, Texans 2-3, Jaguars 0-5
WEST - Broncos 5-0, Chiefs 5-0, Chargers 2-3, Raiders 2-3

NFC
EAST - Cowboys 2-3, Eagles 2-3, Redskins 1-3, Giants 0-5
NORTH - Lions 3-2, Bears 3-2, Packers 2-2, Vikings 1-3
SOUTH - Saints 5-0, Falcons 1-3*, Panthers 1-3, Buccaneers 0-4
WEST - Seahawks 4-1, 49ers 3-2, Cardinals 3-2, Rams 2-3

[Erik]

I don't think the Giants will even win one game this season.

Nah, they play the Redskins twice. And the Raiders once. There's gotta be at least one win in that troika.

[Erik]

Eagles got a safety on Giants RB David Wilson, but refs blew the call and went with "forward progress" at the 1 even though Wilson got free, made a spin move, and then got stopped in the end zone. lol

Giants later got hosed on a question of Eagles catch near midfield. called good, Giants called timeout, THEN threw the challenge flag - hey, you guessed it again, not overturned (Perreira and I disagree), so TWO timeouts used.

then on Eli's INT down 22-21 in 4th, he got smacked in the helmet just before - well, throwing a dead duck into his lineman's helmet. It bounced to an Eagle, and Eagles almost immediately scored a TD. But Pereira said it wasn't enough to warrant a call - no Giant fan will agree.

There were also several PI flags that should not have been thrown. Hopefully this crew will get reamed out by whoever evaluates officiating crews.

[onejayhawk]

I had to work, so I could not follow the Chiefs v Titans. It sounds like a very good game.

Dallas fans want to strangle Tony Romo. As a Chiefs fan, I think they are all idiots.

J

[usfsucks]

There were also several PI flags that should not have been thrown. Hopefully this crew will get reamed out by whoever evaluates officiating crews.

The officiating crew in that Philly beat down of the Giants was so bad.