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  • #16
    Originally posted by revo View Post
    Why would the Chiefs expend a 1st rounder on a part-time RB?
    Thomas Jones was not a part time RB. Jamaal Charles is a closer fit. Richardson is an elite talent, who will pair well with JC, but can be a star in case of an injury. Also, JC needs an heir. RBs tend to get only 3-4 top years, and Jamaal Charles has had two.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by revo View Post
      Why would the Chiefs expend a 1st rounder on a part-time RB?
      And to expand on revo's point...spending a good 1st round pick on a part-time RB when the Chiefs have so many other gaping needs makes no sense.

      It's kinda like the Packers drafting a DT.
      I'm just here for the baseball.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
        Thomas Jones was not a part time RB. Jamaal Charles is a closer fit. Richardson is an elite talent, who will pair well with JC, but can be a star in case of an injury. Also, JC needs an heir. RBs tend to get only 3-4 top years, and Jamaal Charles has had two.

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        Richardson is elite, but in today's NFL where the pass dominates and RBs can literally be sitting on a couch and come in at a moment's notice to play at a top level. it just doesn't make sense.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
          Thomas Jones was not a part time RB. Jamaal Charles is a closer fit. Richardson is an elite talent, who will pair well with JC, but can be a star in case of an injury. Also, JC needs an heir. RBs tend to get only 3-4 top years, and Jamaal Charles has had two.

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          And what of Dexter McCluster, who filled in admirably for Charles. He was a 1st rounder also -- how many times can the Chiefs use 1st round picks on part-time RBs?

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          • #20
            McCluster was a 2nd rounder.
            Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
            We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Erik View Post
              McCluster was a 2nd rounder.
              same difference.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by revo View Post
                And what of Dexter McCluster, who filled in admirably for Charles. He was a 1st rounder also -- how many times can the Chiefs use 1st round picks on part-time RBs?
                Jamaal Charles is a part time RB. The lead RB has been Thomas Jones. Dexter McLuster was drafted to fill a role, which has not happened yet. He has had his moments, but that pick would be different if they had another shot at it.

                That being said, the last 1st round pick was for Larry Johnson. Since then they have had 2 premium picks at RB, JC in the 3rd, 2008 and DMX 2nd round, 2010. that is hardly overdoing it.

                All that said, they may make this a moot point by signing Mike Tolbert. In that event the focus moves to the OL, David deCastro or Riley Reiff, or trading down.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by chancellor View Post
                  And to expand on revo's point...spending a good 1st round pick on a part-time RB when the Chiefs have so many other gaping needs makes no sense.
                  Other than QB, name a couple.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
                    Jamaal Charles is a part time RB. The lead RB has been Thomas Jones. Dexter McLuster was drafted to fill a role, which has not happened yet. He has had his moments, but that pick would be different if they had another shot at it.

                    That being said, the last 1st round pick was for Larry Johnson. Since then they have had 2 premium picks at RB, JC in the 3rd, 2008 and DMX 2nd round, 2010. that is hardly overdoing it.

                    All that said, they may make this a moot point by signing Mike Tolbert. In that event the focus moves to the OL, David deCastro or Riley Reiff, or trading down.

                    J
                    You got your wish, and the Chiefs don't need to use a high draft pick -- they signed Peyton Hillis to a 1yr deal.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by onejayhawk View Post
                      Other than QB, name a couple.

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                      They had a point differential worse than all but 3 teams in the NFL, and those 3 teams combined for 8 wins. The Chiefs went 7-9 -- you're saying there are no holes??

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                      • #26
                        Point differential doesn't really tell the whole story with them -- and it's not nearly as good a metric for a 16-game season as a 162-game season. They had some incredibly lopsided blowout losses, but they also beat some very good teams, including the Packers (which no one else did in the regular season).
                        Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                        We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by revo View Post
                          same difference.
                          No it isn't. First rounders are expected to be immediate difference-makers. Other picks aren't.
                          Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                          We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by revo View Post
                            You got your wish, and the Chiefs don't need to use a high draft pick -- they signed Peyton Hillis to a 1yr deal.
                            I would have preferred Tolbert. Hillis has mileage issue, but its a one year deal.

                            Originally posted by revo View Post
                            They had a point differential worse than all but 3 teams in the NFL, and those 3 teams combined for 8 wins. The Chiefs went 7-9 -- you're saying there are no holes??
                            This is a team that lost Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry, Tony Moeaki and Matt Cassel for at least 6 games, Berry for the whole season. This is also a team that has a road shut out, by a defense with 8 starters drafted or first signed since 2008. The others are Gregg, Hali and Derrick Johnson.

                            The short answer is, no. Other than QB, they have no large holes in their line up. They have several areas where their starter is mediocre or the depth is poor, but nowhere they are not starting at least a quality back up, even at QB. Their biggest problems have been youth and coaching. When they head coach is trying to get fired, things often dont go well.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Erik View Post
                              No it isn't. First rounders are expected to be immediate difference-makers. Other picks aren't.
                              So according to that, the #30 pick is a difference maker, and the #34 pick isn't? What GM says a 2nd round pick shouldn't be a difference maker over a late 1st rounder?

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                              • #30
                                Still roughing this one in.

                                2. Washington Redskins – Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor (6’1 220)
                                3. Minnesota Vikings – Matt Kalil, OT, USC (6’7 295)
                                4. Cleveland Browns – Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU (6’1 185)
                                5. Tampa Bay Bucs – Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama (5’11 224)
                                6. St. Louis Rams – Justin Blackmon, WR, OK St (6’1 208)
                                7. Jacksonville Jaguars – Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame (6’3 224)
                                8. Miami Dolphins – Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M (6'4 220)
                                9. Carolina Panthers – Dontari Poe, DL, Memphis (6'5 354)
                                10. Buffalo Bills – Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa (6’6 300)
                                11. Kansas City Chiefs – David DeCastro, OG, Stanford (6’5 310)
                                12. Seattle Seahawks – Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC (6'5 270)
                                13. Arizona Cardinals – Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford (6’6 304)
                                14. Dallas Cowboys – Melvin Ingram, DL/OLB, South Carolina (6’2 276)
                                15. Philadelphia Eagles – Quinton Coples, DE, UNC (6’6 285)
                                16. New York Jets – Luke Kuechly, LB, BCU (6'4 255)
                                17. Cincinnati Bengals (via Oakland) – Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama (6’3 192)
                                18. San Diego Chargers – Fletcher Cox, DT, Miss St (6’4 295)
                                19. Chicago Bears – Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina (6’4 232)
                                20. Tennessee Titans – Cordy Glenn, OT/OG, Georgia (6’5 348)
                                21. Cincinnati Bengals – Courtney Upshaw, OLB, Alabama (6’2 265)
                                22. Cleveland Browns (via Atlanta) – Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma St, (6'5 225)
                                23. Detroit Lions – Mike Adams, OT, Ohio St (6'5" 325)
                                24. Pittsburgh Steelers – Stephen Gilmore, CB, S Carolina (5'11 190)
                                25. Denver Broncos – Devon Still, DT, Penn St (6’5 310)
                                26. Houston Texans – Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor (5’10 190)
                                27. New England Patriots (via NO) – Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin (6'5" 315)
                                28. Green Bay Packers – Janoris Jenkins, DB, N Alabama
                                29. Baltimore Ravens – Zach Brown, OLB, UNC
                                30. San Francisco 49ers – David Wilson, RB, Va Tech (5' 10" 205)
                                31. New England Patriots – Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
                                32. New York Giants – Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford (6' 6" 245)

                                J
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