ADP has both torn ACL and MCL...

[Hornsby]

If it weren't for bad luck...they screw up a chance for the franchise QB, set up a QB controversy, and perhaps, now lose their best player for the 2012 season as well.

[revo]

Wow, he's likely to miss a significant portion of the 2K12 season. Tough luck for Minny fans.....

[jackmadden]

they screw up a chance for the franchise QB

Not a fan of Ponder or just a big fan of Luck?

[Hornsby]

Not a fan of Ponder or just a big fan of Luck?

Both...Ponder, IMO, is nothing more than a caretaker QB. He was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB coming out of college, not the most talented. Now it shows that he regressing as the season goes along, and the coach is sliding his support to Webb, where it should have been all along. I hope that they actually give Webb a fair chance to compete in the off-season, but I suspect that upper management is going to push Ponder hard in order to show that they didn't make a mistake in drafting him.

The biggest problem now is that they may actually add a THIRD QB to the equation if Griffin III comes out. Hopefully, Kalil falls to the 3rd pick, or else they should take the WR Blackmon, another area of great need.

[revo]

The biggest problem now is that they may actually add a THIRD QB to the equation if Griffin III comes out. Hopefully, Kalil falls to the 3rd pick, or else they should take the WR Blackmon, another area of great need.

Has a team ever taken QBs in the first round in back to back years? The Panthers came close with a 2nd rounder on Clausen followed by the #1 overall on Newton, but not sure if the 1-1 double has ever been done before. I don't think anyone questions them taking Newton, but I can't fathom the fallout from a Top 12 Qb pick being permanently replaced after just one season.

[Hornsby]

Has a team ever taken QBs in the first round in back to back years? The Panthers came close with a 2nd rounder on Clausen followed by the #1 overall on Newton, but not sure if the 1-1 double has ever been done before. I don't think anyone questions them taking Newton, but I can't fathom the fallout from a Top 12 Qb pick being permanently replaced after just one season.

People here are already convinced that the Viking front office is a mess...this would just confirm what they already know. If I'm not mistaken, they may be the only NFL franchise without a true football GM calling the shots. It's some weird mish-mash of ownership, financial guys, personal directors, and football coaching staff that make the decisions. So who knows what the hell they'll end up doing?

[jackmadden]

Has a team ever taken QBs in the first round in back to back years? The Panthers came close with a 2nd rounder on Clausen followed by the #1 overall on Newton, but not sure if the 1-1 double has ever been done before. I don't think anyone questions them taking Newton, but I can't fathom the fallout from a Top 12 Qb pick being permanently replaced after just one season.

I don't think it's ever happened. The closest I recall was when the Seahawks took Dan McGwire in 1991 and then took Rick Mirer in 1993.

[revo]

I don't think it's ever happened. The closest I recall was when the Seahawks took Dan McGwire in 1991 and then took Rick Mirer in 1993.

I did find a couple of instances -- in 1989, the Cowboys took Troy Aikman #1 overall then took Steve Walsh with a 1st rounder in the supplemental draft; and in 1982 and 1983, the Colts used 1st rounders on Art Schicter and John Elway.

[Judge Jude]

ironic that you missed an "L" of all letters in Schlichter, given his NFL play and gambling problems.


(ok, and an H, but there's no punchline there.)

re Vikings: Occurs to me that next year some NFC division will go 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, etc vs NFC North.
So 1 plays mighty Packers, 2 plays upswing Lions, 3 plays Cutler-ized Bears - and 4 may play ADP-less Vikings (depending on when the game is played, but not likely he's 100 pct ADP anyway).

And the winner is..... wait for it, moonlightJ...... the Redskins (who ironically just lost to the Vikings last week).

Nice little 2012 bonus in a tightly-packed division.

[jackmadden]

I did find a couple of instances -- in 1989, the Cowboys took Troy Aikman #1 overall then took Steve Walsh with a 1st rounder in the supplemental draft; and in 1982 and 1983, the Colts used 1st rounders on Art Schicter and John Elway.

Good finds. I remember Steve Walsh being a Cowboy breifly, but I don't remember (or understand) the Cowboys using a 1st round pick on him the year after taking Aikman. The Colts situation is a bit more understandable because Schlichter was suspended indefinitely for gambling after the 1982 season.

For Hornsby's sake, I hope the Vikings don't take a QB with the 3rd pick next year and that AP is able to return sooner rather than later.

[Judge Jude]

Jimmy Johnson had just arrived in Dallas, and he had just won a national championship with Walsh at U of Miami.
So yeah, first overall pick in NFL draft and first pick in supplemental draft - two QBs.

funny, the Cowboys were 0-11 in Aikman starts as a rookie in 1989, and 1-4 with Walsh.

Walsh then played in just one game in 1990, then he was dealt to the Saints, where he went 6-5 in 11 starts, knocking out the Cowboys for the Saints' 2nd-ever playoff berth (says wiki).

I guess he was injury-prone, playing in only 8 games in 1991 and zero in 1992. He bounced back to go 8-3 as a starter for the 1994 Bears, winning a playoff game. But Erik Kramer won the starting Bears gig in 1995, and that was about it for Walsh's career. Backup for Rams, Bucs, and finally Peyton Manning and Colts in 1999.

that is one odd career...

[Erik]

I suspect that upper management is going to push Ponder hard in order to show that they didn't make a mistake in drafting him.

Which is what they did with Tarvaris Jackson until Childress was fired.

[Erik]

So 1 plays mighty Packers

One of the few silver linings of the Eagles missing the playoffs.

[jackmadden]

Jimmy Johnson had just arrived in Dallas, and he had just won a national championship with Walsh at U of Miami.
So yeah, first overall pick in NFL draft and first pick in supplemental draft - two QBs.

funny, the Cowboys were 0-11 in Aikman starts as a rookie in 1989, and 1-4 with Walsh.

Walsh then played in just one game in 1990, then he was dealt to the Saints, where he went 6-5 in 11 starts, knocking out the Cowboys for the Saints' 2nd-ever playoff berth (says wiki).

I guess he was injury-prone, playing in only 8 games in 1991 and zero in 1992. He bounced back to go 8-3 as a starter for the 1994 Bears, winning a playoff game. But Erik Kramer won the starting Bears gig in 1995, and that was about it for Walsh's career. Backup for Rams, Bucs, and finally Peyton Manning and Colts in 1999.

that is one odd career...

Very odd indeed. It seems like he had enough success to land a starting gig somewhere. I wonder if it was anything like Jeff George's situation; where he tended to tick people off every where he went.

Speaking of Jeff George, he was willing to take over if Favre didn't return to the Vikings. So the Vikings could bring him in if 2 QBs aren't enough for a controversy.

Appearing with Paul Allen of KFAN, George said he’d be willing to jump in and take over, if Favre decides to get out.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/04/veteran-quarterback-makes-pitch-to-replace-brett-favre/