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Originally posted by Ken View PostSo far they have lost to the Chiefs and tied the Browns and their defense looks terrible. I would tap the breaks on potential championship team until they figure out how to play defense this year.
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Originally posted by revo View PostRegardless, their current SB Championship odds make them the 4th favorite in the AFC.I'm just here for the baseball.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostSo far they have lost to the Chiefs and tied the Browns and their defense looks terrible. I would tap the breaks on potential championship team until they figure out how to play defense this year."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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Originally posted by chancellor View PostI’d bet against those odds. I have to agree with Ken in this one - maybe they sneak in the playoffs, but with their utter lack of defense, they’ll get crushed early.
Originally posted by madducks View PostJoe Haden will be back this week to help the secondary.
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Originally posted by Erik View PostThey could withdraw the franchise tag. I believe that would make him a free agent.
The Steelers would not be motivated to have him come back on a franchise tag. So do they withdraw it and make him a free agent??
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Originally posted by KenLets go back to the hypothetical here. Lets assume for argument's sake that we get to week 10 and the Steelers are not in the hunt. What do you think happens with Bell?
The Steelers would not be motivated to have him come back on a franchise tag. So do they withdraw it and make him a free agent??
If they don't trade him then, and they have a losing record by Week 10, it would come down to the Steelers paying him $6m or so the rest of the way, or letting him go to another team. Do you think the Steelers would be that far out of it that they wouldn't need him? Six games is a lot, and I can't see them being that far behind. I think they keep the tag on.
Interesting facts from a fantasy perspective. Only 1 in 5 teams that drafted Bell ended up with Conner.
From ESPN:
"Drafters who took Bell No. 1 overall in ESPN leagues have a winning percentage of 43.5 percent compared with 65.2 percent among those who drafted Gurley first. Those Gurley-led teams are producing 11.5 percent more points on average than those who took Bell with the top spot.
Exactly 21.3 percent of teams in ESPN leagues that drafted Bell also have James Conner on the roster. Those teams have a winning percentage of 59.98 percent."
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Originally posted by revo View PostInteresting facts from a fantasy perspective. Only 1 in 5 teams that drafted Bell ended up with Conner.
From ESPN:
"Drafters who took Bell No. 1 overall in ESPN leagues have a winning percentage of 43.5 percent compared with 65.2 percent among those who drafted Gurley first. Those Gurley-led teams are producing 11.5 percent more points on average than those who took Bell with the top spot.
Exactly 21.3 percent of teams in ESPN leagues that drafted Bell also have James Conner on the roster. Those teams have a winning percentage of 59.98 percent."“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Anyone who plays FF and lives in the Pittsburgh area.... AND drafted Bell in the 1st round is an idiot."I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."
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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Steelers are now listening to trade offers for holdout RB Le'Veon Bell.
They're satisfied with what James Conner has given the offense through two games and are looking to move on from the Bell situation, which has caused major off-field distractions. Bell has shown no intention of wanting to play anytime soon, seemingly more concerned with his musical career than football during the prolonged holdout. Any team interested in trading for Le'Veon would almost certainly want to work out a long-term deal before the move is made, and that creates several different obstacles to work around, including Bell's suspension and injury histories in addition to what's left of his commitment to playing football. (Rotoworld)“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Ken View PostI thought we established that he can't sign a long term deal even if traded based on how the franchise tag works?
Only players under contract can be traded. Bell has not signed his franchise tag, so he is not under contract and thus, at present, not subject to a trade. And if Bell doesn't want to be traded, all he has to do is not sign the tender prior to the October 30 trade deadline. If he sticks to his (reported) guns and wants to continue to sit out until he absolutely has to sign the tag, it will be two weeks later than the trade deadline. In that situation, the Steelers wouldn't be able to move him if they wanted to.
Further, Bell could prevent a trade by agreeing to sign the franchise tender prior to the trade deadline and requesting that a no-trade clause be added to the contract. Former NFL agent Joel Corry confirmed to Dave Bryan at Steelers Depot that such language can be added into the franchise tender, just as Corry noted earlier in September that Bell "is allowed to negotiate his one-year salary and other conditions relating to his franchise-player status."
Trade compensation is also a concern. The Steelers are already likely to earn a third-round compensatory pick when Bell leaves in free agency next spring, so there's no question that the team would not accept anything less from an interested trade partner. The Steelers, therefore, need the incentive to trade Bell while at the same time getting Bell's cooperation in any would-be trade.
Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News reported on Monday that the New York Jets have contacted the Steelers about a potential Bell trade. He notes that the Jets have enough cash on hand to pay the prorated amount of Bell's remaining tag value ($17 million in cap space versus just under $12 million for Bell if he signs the tag prior to Saturday) as well as enough projected cap space in 2018 (around $90 million) to give him a long-term deal in the offseason. They also have a third-round 2019 draft pick on hand as trade compensation for Pittsburgh.
There are likely other teams that have called the Steelers about Bell's availability, both before and after Schefter's report. But the hurdles are the same for them as they are for the Jets. Until Bell signs the franchise tag, any trade talk is merely hypothetical. Without Bell's cooperation, there will be no trade. If October 30 comes and goes without Bell having signed the tag, there will be no trade. While that doesn't mean no trade will happen, the barriers currently in place make it a difficult transaction."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Ken View PostI thought we established that he can't sign a long term deal even if traded based on how the franchise tag works?
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