*** VD 6 Commentary Thread ***

[johnnya24]

The other side of RJ...

Sometimes I have to remind myself that some people come here primarily for the fantasy side of the board and that there are a whole ton of lurkers out there just reading what you all write about baseball players.

I saw this thread yesterday:

http://forum.rotojunkiefix.com/showthread.php/7075-Two-replacement-owners-needed-in-keeper-league?p=135260#post135260

It has 5 different posters in it who have a sum total of 27 posts between them. I'm pretty sure I have more posts solely aimed at insulting Eld in this thread than that. I guess it just surprises me sometimes when I see that this site is so much bigger than just my little corner.

That said... my guess is that the small VD community (if we included JC, BFly, DMT, Kev and others) makes up more than 60% of the content on this board.

Baseball? :shrug:I just got back from posting porn stars in the Sports Bar.

[heyelander]

: pindrop :

[johnnya24]

[revo]

Is Jeff Kent a Hall of Famer?

I would say yes, but since nearly all players from that era are being penalized, he's probably not one as of today.

[johnnya24]

[Pogues]

Free all morning, busy as hell in the afternoon... figures. I do think that was my second fastest pick next to Cobb.

[The Feral Slasher]

Do 2013 stats count in career stats ? Enquiring minds want to know...

If we didn't address it i think we should exclude them, not that it should make much of a difference. maybe we should have a Roto/Vintage hybrid for the next VD. Career stats /2013 stats

[Pogues]

Traditionally, we factor in full seasons only that appear on baseball reference. 2013 will not be counting in the stats.

On another note, that Jack Quinn pick by Johnny just made me utter one word..."damn". I'd rather not explain now, but I will at the end of the draft.

[johnnya24]

Soon as we switch to the two point thing Johnny starts dumping ratios.

Backed myself into a corner ... originally planned to dump career ratios and keep my options open to maybe dump one other half category. I think the point ceiling for a ratio punt is only barely competitive ... and that's without competition for players. Time will tell. Should be an interesting gamble.

I actually wanted to keep my options open longer which is why I waited ... but Knuckler could have legitimately taken Quinn's 1909, so I had to commit.

The two point thing was Feral and CJ's baby.

[Pogues]

Backed myself into a corner ... originally planned to dump career ratios and keep my options open to maybe dump one other half category.

Which is why I now regret 3 of my 4 knockouts...trying to make those low ratio guys a premium for several drafters, including you.

[revo]

Soon as we switch to the two point thing Johnny starts dumping ratios.

yeah, I noticed that, lol. So much for the point of multiplicative scoring......

[Controller Jacobs]

yeah, I noticed that, lol. So much for the point of multiplicative scoring......

The point of multiplicative scoring was to reduce the value of dumping categories. I thought it went overboard in the penalty, leading to a situation where one last-placed category had to be made by two first-place categories and then some. The +1 may lean it back too far to dumping, but that could be corrected by adjusting it down to +0.5. I still think dumping should be a viable strategy, particularly since it's one of the strategies that helps new players (I did well in my first vd by dumping OBP). For anyone who thinks this somehow hands vd6 to johnny, I'd like to direct your attention to vd5.

[johnnya24]

The point of multiplicative scoring was to reduce the value of dumping categories. I thought it went overboard in the penalty, leading to a situation where one last-placed category had to be made by two first-place categories and then some. The +1 may lean it back too far to dumping, but that could be corrected by adjusting it down to +0.5. I still think dumping should be a viable strategy, particularly since it's one of the strategies that helps new players (I did well in my first vd by dumping OBP). For anyone who thinks this somehow hands vd6 to johnny, I'd like to direct your attention to vd5.

The +1 opens up punt strategies a bit more. But there is a ceiling on 4 category punts like this ... so 5 and 6 category punts would probably be impossible.

You can punt 2 categories with normal multi scoring (punt saves, BA, career ratios etc)
You should be competitive while punting 3 categories with multi +1
4 categories is probably at the limit of mutli +1
(and of course combos that involve semi-punts etc)

The big problem with additive scoring was that 5 and 6 category punts were possible because of the dynamic that pushes people towards punting. Additive became "punt or else". I don't believe that multi +1 will push people on mass towards punt strategies becuase of the huge value of the middle and upper-middle numbers across all 20 categories.

Multi +0.5 is interesting.

[The Feral Slasher]

The point of multiplicative scoring was to reduce the value of dumping categories. I thought it went overboard in the penalty, leading to a situation where one last-placed category had to be made by two first-place categories and then some. The +1 may lean it back too far to dumping, but that could be corrected by adjusting it down to +0.5. I still think dumping should be a viable strategy, particularly since it's one of the strategies that helps new players (I did well in my first vd by dumping OBP). For anyone who thinks this somehow hands vd6 to johnny, I'd like to direct your attention to vd5.

I'm not convinced +1 favors dumping too much, I'll be curious to see how this draft finishes. Johnny probably has it already figured out. Anyway, I think it limits dumping, but still makes it possible, which I think is good. A few tweaks might optimize it, but it depends on what everyone considers to be the goal of the scoring system. I thought pretty hard about dumping a couple categories, but decided against it.

I also thought real hard about taking quinn, but I couldn't take his good season so he wasn't as valuable to me.

[Pogues]

I don't care if the +1 helps dumping a few categories or not...without some folks attempting dumping strategies the draft gets boring...it's why I don't like multiplicative scoring very much.