*** VD 13 Commentary Thread ***

[johnnya24]

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Will be some variant of a Decades draft ... unless someone has an objection that.

I'll put up some polls to decide what we add to the pot.

1. Ko's might be an option this time - everyone has 5 players they can eliminate, that can only be used between rounds 6 and 15 (for example).
2. I think history says it's better to leave WC's off Decades drafts, right?

Participants:

Johnny
Feral
DMT
Ken
MJL
TSG
Mookie
Hacko

[The Feral Slasher]

Sign Up for VD 13

Will be some variant of a Decades draft ... unless someone has an objection that.

I'll put up some polls to decide what we add to the pot.

1. Ko's might be an option this time - everyone has 5 players they can eliminate, that can only be used between rounds 6 and 15 (for example).
2. I think history says it's better to leave WC's off Decades drafts, right?

Participants:

Johnny

So does this mean MookieTyme, Heyelander and ALTID4 will also participate ? I'm in as well. Would there be any restriction on KO's from a particular decade ?

[DMT]

So does this mean MookieTyme, Heyelander and ALTID4 will also participate ? I'm in as well. Would there be any restriction on KO's from a particular decade ?

Can I borrow a johnny alter-ego for prep week?

[johnnya24]

So does this mean MookieTyme, Heyelander and ALTID4 will also participate ? I'm in as well. Would there be any restriction on KO's from a particular decade ?

i'm not sure about AltID4 yet. I was thinking a post-Apu Indian-American from Texas, with a diabloesque predisposition towards arguing with people. It's a work in progress. I'll let ya know

As for KO's, yeah, they'd have to exclude certain decades for both hitting and pitching.

[johnnya24]

Can I borrow a johnny alter-ego for prep week?

He's busy trying to find a job for Heyelander.

[DMT]

i'm not sure about AltID4 yet. I was thinking a post-Apu Indian-American from Texas, with a diabloesque predisposition towards arguing with people. It's a work in progress. I'll let ya know.

Hey, wait a minute...

[Ken]

I think I got relegated in VD12. Where's the Championship League forum?

[DMT]

He's busy trying to find a job for Heyelander.

That's fine, I'll settle for the other one.

[DMT]

I think I got relegated in VD12. Where's the Championship League forum?

Welcome to the show rook!

[mjl]

I think I got relegated in VD12. Where's the Championship League forum?

For what it's worth, note that on the standings tab, if we were using additive scoring, you're right in the middle. I'll leave it to someone competent to tell you what you did wrong, but my guess would be (a) if you're dumping that many pitching categories you really shouldn't have twos in the hitting side also, and (b) as much as he maybe shouldn't have been available at the time you took him Warren Spahn is contributing approximately nothing to your team as one of your wild-cards. Replacing him with Bill Upham (career 142 IP, 7 W, 54 K; BY 121 IP, 6 W, 46 K) costs you three points in the standings, and replacing him with some closer who had a good career is worth about +7. In multiplicative scoring, turning those twos into threes is a big deal and locking up those 15s at the top of a category is almost irrelevant compared to 14s and 13s.

[TS Garp]

I'm in. Would still love to do a franchise draft at some point.

[Ken]

For what it's worth, note that on the standings tab, if we were using additive scoring, you're right in the middle. I'll leave it to someone competent to tell you what you did wrong, but my guess would be (a) if you're dumping that many pitching categories you really shouldn't have twos in the hitting side also, and (b) as much as he maybe shouldn't have been available at the time you took him Warren Spahn is contributing approximately nothing to your team as one of your wild-cards. Replacing him with Bill Upham (career 142 IP, 7 W, 54 K; BY 121 IP, 6 W, 46 K) costs you three points in the standings, and replacing him with some closer who had a good career is worth about +7. In multiplicative scoring, turning those twos into threes is a big deal and locking up those 15s at the top of a category is almost irrelevant compared to 14s and 13s.

Thanks! Very good info.

A few things I knew I did wrong:

1) Not valuing closers... basically at all - this comes from my regular roto fantasy experience
2) No basis for replacement levels. My valuations were off from the start and I knew it, because I did not know where to draw the line for replacement. This specifically hurt me in the ERA/WHIP areas.
3) General lack of prep/plan. Just winging it for a first run through since I didn't know what I was doing. Wasn't expecting to be very competitive (sounds like an excuse because, hell, it is!) In a typically roto league I use some custom built tools, but to create those tools I wanted to have a better understanding of the game first.

If I go at it again I'll be more prepared.

[mjl]

2) No basis for replacement value. My valuations were off from the start and I knew it, because I did not know where to draw the line for replacement value. This specifically hurt me in the ERA/WHIP areas.

ah that makes sense then. Using a fourth-round pick and one of your precious deadball pitchers on a guy who actively hurts you in all of your ratio categories and doesn't help much in SO just because he has a QUIZY letter is hurting you a lot also. Not that he isn't a reasonable choice in general, but note in VD9 he went in the 12th round. (And note that I spent a 10th round deadball pick on a Z pitcher that wasn't even taken in VD9, so I don't really have room to talk here. I didn't exactly have a plan either.)

And for the record, I don't think I've ever been in the top half of the standings this late before so I assume I'm not going to finish that near the top, and most of these guys have done 10x the VDs I have, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.

[Ken]

Using a fourth-round pick and one of your precious deadball pitchers on a guy who actively hurts you in all of your ratio categories and doesn't help much in SO just because he has a QUIZY letter is hurting you a lot also.

Hah, you are right, that was a "hey I should really start taking some of these difficult letters" pick.

[TS Garp]

Thanks! Very good info.

A few things I knew I did wrong:

1) Not valuing closers... basically at all - this comes from my regular roto fantasy experience
2) No basis for replacement levels. My valuations were off from the start and I knew it, because I did not know where to draw the line for replacement. This specifically hurt me in the ERA/WHIP areas.
3) General lack of prep/plan. Just winging it for a first run through since I didn't know what I was doing. Wasn't expecting to be very competitive (sounds like an excuse because, hell, it is!) In a typically roto league I use some custom built tools, but to create those tools I wanted to have a better understanding of the game first.

If I go at it again I'll be more prepared.

I'm not sure that undervaluing closers is hurting you. Unless you grab Rivera or Hoffman early, most teams cobble together saves throughout as there are so many sources of both CY and BY saves available at a variety of letters throughout the draft, especially now that there isn't a restriction on contemporary pitchers. It's good to have a general plan for saves but you can be pretty flexible. Your overall pitching approach was a bit erratic but I actually think you did a great job for your first vintage draft. It takes some time to get acclimated as your brain is used to thinking a certain way from typical roto leagues and this is a whole different thing.