*** VD 13 Commentary Thread ***

[Bene Futuis]

Calling out people by real name in threads is doxxing and should be a HUGE no-no on this board. That thread needs to be nuked in totality and the offender seriously warned against future stupidity like that. There are still two references that remain in that thread, btw. What an embarrassment.

[johnnya24]

Calling out people by real name in threads is doxxing and should be a HUGE no-no on this board. That thread needs to be nuked in totality and the offender seriously warned against future stupidity like that. There are still two references that remain in that thread, btw. What an embarrassment.

Who did that?

[heyelander]

Calling out people by real name in threads is doxxing and should be a HUGE no-no on this board. That thread needs to be nuked in totality and the offender seriously warned against future stupidity like that. There are still two references that remain in that thread, btw. What an embarrassment.

which thread?

[The Feral Slasher]

where ?

[The Feral Slasher]

why ?

[The Feral Slasher]

what ?

[DMT]

The cheating in baseball thread.

[heyelander]

Joe Posnanski on The Athletic has been doing a Top 100 Players of All-Time list. He's put out an comprehensive article on each player he ranks.

Link to description that includes links to all players rated. Probably behind a paywall.

https://theathletic.com/1457115/2019/12/17/the-baseball-100-a-project-celebrating-the-greatest-players-in-history/

Welcome to the Baseball 100, an absurd thing that I am doing here at The Athletic. Over the next 100 days, I will be counting down the 100 greatest baseball players in history, each with an essay. In all, this project will contain roughly as many words as “Moby Dick.”

...

I will add this because I think it’s important to say: I don’t care much about the rankings. Yes, I spent many, many, many hours on them. I used the Tom Tango-inspired formula, added a bunch of wrinkles, did a bunch of research and made some hard judgments that I believe in.

But the point of this for me is not the ranking but the stories. Every one of these players has a fascinating story — about persistence, about confidence, about pure talent, about amazing moments, about the lengths people will go to become quote-unquote “great.” The stories are what inspired me to do this bonkers thing.

...

Because of this, I will not go into great detail about my ranking. Some of it is science, but admittedly some of it also art. I will give you a handful of guiding principles:

1. I think today’s players tend to be underrated compared to those who came before them.

2. I lean toward players who were great at their peak, even if that peak only lasted a short time, and lean away from those who were consistently but not toweringly good for a long time.

3. I lean toward players who did multiple things well over specialists (no matter how great) who basically did just one thing well.

4. I take a lot of care to make educated guesses about players whose careers were shortened by things beyond their control — World War II, for example, or baseball’s tragic and infuriating color line. I don’t make the same adjustment for injuries. ...

5. I have done a lot of research about the Negro Leagues to estimate the greatness of the players there. I try to be as unsentimental about this as I possibly can. I do not rank Satchel Paige based on dreamy views. He is exactly where I think he belongs on the list.

List so far:
No. 100: Ichiro Suzuki
No. 99: Mike Mussina
No. 98: Carlos Beltrán
No. 97: Roberto Alomar
No. 96: Larry Walker
No. 95: Tony Gwynn
No. 94: Roy Campanella
No. 93: Ozzie Smith
No. 92: Bullet Rogan
No. 91: Mariano Rivera
No. 90: Max Scherzer
No. 89: Mike Piazza
No. 88: Curt Schilling
No. 87: Charlie Gehringer
No. 86: Gary Carter
No. 85: Sadaharu Oh
No. 84: Cool Papa Bell
No. 83: Phil Niekro
No. 82: Kid Nichols
No. 81: Ferguson Jenkins
No. 80: Carlton Fisk
No. 79: Derek Jeter
No. 78: Clayton Kershaw
No. 77: Miguel Cabrera
No. 76: Willie McCovey
No. 75: Justin Verlander
No. 74: Frank Thomas
No. 73: Brooks Robinson
No. 72: Robin Roberts
No. 71: Bert Blyleven
No. 70: Sandy Koufax
No. 69: Monte Irvin
No. 68: Gaylord Perry
No. 67: Hank Greenberg
No. 66: Robin Yount
No. 65: Ernie Banks
No. 64: Johnny Mize
No. 63: Steve Carlton
No. 62: Smokey Joe Williams
No. 61: Arky Vaughan
No. 60: Pete Rose
No. 59: Reggie Jackson
No. 58: Jeff Bagwell
No. 57: Rod Carew
No. 56: Joe DiMaggio
No. 55: Bob Feller
No. 54: Chipper Jones
No. 53: Buck Leonard
No. 52: Adrián Beltré
No. 51: Al Kaline
No. 50: Nolan Ryan
No. 49: Warren Spahn
No. 48: Ken Griffey Jr.
No. 47: Wade Boggs
No. 46: Eddie Mathews
No. 45: Bob Gibson
No. 44: Cal Ripken Jr.
No. 43: Yogi Berra
No. 42: Jackie Robinson
No. 41: Tom Seaver
No. 40: Roberto Clemente
No. 39: Nap Lajoie

[heyelander]

A bit (okay, maybe more than I should, but this is maybe a 1/3 of the article, and it gives you an idea of how comprehensive each essay is) on Bullet Rogan (the only name I didn't recognize from the list)

There’s a decent chance that even if you’re a devoted baseball fan — even if you’re fascinated by the Negro Leagues — you’ve never heard of Bullet Rogan. I had not heard of him until I was having breakfast with Buck O’Neil one day in the 1990s. Buck used to call him “Bullet Joe Rogan,” though his name was probably not Joe. It was probably Charles Wilber Rogan. To be fair, though, much of Bullet Rogan’s life is a mystery.

Anyway, we were talking about Negro Leaguers who belonged in the Hall of Fame, and Buck began to talk about Bullet Joe. He said the Rogan threw about as hard as Satchel Paige, was perhaps the best fielding pitcher in baseball history, was a world-class centerfielder and could handle the bat better than anyone he’d ever seen.

Bullet Joe sounded to me like a comic book superhero.

And then I began to investigate. It was not easy. Rogan began his baseball career during World War I, before the Negro Leagues began. He played the bulk of his career in the 1920s, a time period often ignored in the Negro Leagues books. He died in 1967, before Robert Peterson’s groundbreaking book, “Only the Ball Was White: A History of Legendary Black Players and All-Black Professional Teams,” launched a renewed interest in Negro Leagues Baseball.

But there are clues left behind about Rogan’s brilliance. Casey Stengel called Rogan the best all-around player in the world and one of the best — if not the best — pitcher who ever lived. Rogan’s catcher and manager Frank Duncan called Rogan the best lowball hitter he ever saw. A teammate named George Carr said that Rogan was the smartest pitcher he ever saw; he never threw the same pitch to the same hitter twice.

And after watching a 48-year-old Bullet Rogan crack three hits against his all-star barnstorming team, Bob Feller said: “I can’t imagine how good he must have been when he was young.”

[The Feral Slasher]

The crying in baseball thread.

There is no crying in baseball !

[The Feral Slasher]

Joe Posnanski on The Athletic has been doing a Top 100 Players of All-Time list. He's put out an comprehensive article on each player he ranks.

Link to description that includes links to all players rated. Probably behind a paywall.

https://theathletic.com/1457115/2019/12/17/the-baseball-100-a-project-celebrating-the-greatest-players-in-history/

...



...



List so far:
No. 100: Ichiro Suzuki
No. 99: Mike Mussina
No. 98: Carlos Beltrán
No. 97: Roberto Alomar
No. 96: Larry Walker
No. 95: Tony Gwynn
No. 94: Roy Campanella
No. 93: Ozzie Smith
No. 92: Bullet Rogan
No. 91: Mariano Rivera
No. 90: Max Scherzer
No. 89: Mike Piazza
No. 88: Curt Schilling
No. 87: Charlie Gehringer
No. 86: Gary Carter
No. 85: Sadaharu Oh
No. 84: Cool Papa Bell
No. 83: Phil Niekro
No. 82: Kid Nichols
No. 81: Ferguson Jenkins
No. 80: Carlton Fisk
No. 79: Derek Jeter
No. 78: Clayton Kershaw
No. 77: Miguel Cabrera
No. 76: Willie McCovey
No. 75: Justin Verlander
No. 74: Frank Thomas
No. 73: Brooks Robinson
No. 72: Robin Roberts
No. 71: Bert Blyleven
No. 70: Sandy Koufax
No. 69: Monte Irvin
No. 68: Gaylord Perry
No. 67: Hank Greenberg
No. 66: Robin Yount
No. 65: Ernie Banks
No. 64: Johnny Mize
No. 63: Steve Carlton
No. 62: Smokey Joe Williams
No. 61: Arky Vaughan
No. 60: Pete Rose
No. 59: Reggie Jackson
No. 58: Jeff Bagwell
No. 57: Rod Carew
No. 56: Joe DiMaggio
No. 55: Bob Feller
No. 54: Chipper Jones
No. 53: Buck Leonard
No. 52: Adrián Beltré
No. 51: Al Kaline
No. 50: Nolan Ryan
No. 49: Warren Spahn
No. 48: Ken Griffey Jr.
No. 47: Wade Boggs
No. 46: Eddie Mathews
No. 45: Bob Gibson
No. 44: Cal Ripken Jr.
No. 43: Yogi Berra
No. 42: Jackie Robinson
No. 41: Tom Seaver
No. 40: Roberto Clemente
No. 39: Nap Lajoie

Just signed up for the athletic, looking forward to readimg these

[Ken]

I've been having my salads with lite Caesar dressing this week, and I must say I enjoy it. It's Hidden Valley, though, not Ken's.

I'm offended.

[The Feral Slasher]

I'm offended.

If u quit hoarding maybe he could have had some of your lote caesar

[Kevin Seitzer]

I'm offended.

Hi offended, I'm Kevin.

[Ken]

Hi offended, I'm Kevin.

No, you are redacted

Damnit Revo, stop censoring me!