*** VD 13 Commentary Thread ***

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  • Kevin Seitzer
    All Star
    • Jan 2011
    • 9175

    Originally posted by Ken
    So this really boils down to what our source data is. If the source data is the spreadsheet, then you have to choose players from the spreadsheet. I know for example in VD12, mjl was taking players that were not listed because he was using bbref.

    I asked before this draft started what happens if the spreadsheet disagrees with bbref and the answer was that bbref wins. Remember when Bene picked Deacon White that we confirmed his stats had gotten a lot better, so I thought that applied to everyone.

    I think we've decided bbref is the source of data for our draft, so when we find errors in the spreadsheet we correct them as we find them.
    I agree with Ken. I don't think using "the spreadsheet" as our source of truth is a tenable solution. Maybe going forward with Ken's ability to get up-to-date stats, then it is. But I don't think it was for this draft.
    "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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    • Ken
      Administrator
      • Feb 2016
      • 10977

      Originally posted by johnnya24
      Yeah we have always had that rule that bbref is the final word. Nobody has really done anything wrong.

      If someone is really adament, we could suspend the draft until after the weekend when I will get some time to update everything.

      Could Ken maybe create a version of each of the 4 sheets from his master copy that we could copy onto our sheets?
      Ken could

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      • Kevin Seitzer
        All Star
        • Jan 2011
        • 9175

        I posted an updated version of my spreadsheet in the first post of the spreadsheet thread. It is updated with Ken's changes through about Round 10. That spreadsheet and Ken currently agree on the standings, so it can't be too far off. Just an RBI or save here or there are different.
        "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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        • Ken
          Administrator
          • Feb 2016
          • 10977

          Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
          I agree with Ken. I don't think using "the spreadsheet" as our source of truth is a tenable solution. Maybe going forward with Ken's ability to get up-to-date stats, then it is. But I don't think it was for this draft.
          I always knew I had a hidden superpower.

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          • johnnya24
            Hall of Famer
            • Mar 2011
            • 29451

            Originally posted by Ken
            Ken could
            Ken will?

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            • Ken
              Administrator
              • Feb 2016
              • 10977

              Step 1 to correct the spreadsheet - we need to fix some playerIDs - there are a couple who were already picked who were the wrong playerID, so if I correct the 4 stat sheets with BBRef data it's going to have bbref IDs and we'll have a mismatch (those guys will have no stats). So let me pull that list first. I've been just dealing with it on my side to this point, but if everyone wants to get on the same page, playerIDs is our starting point.

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              • Ken
                Administrator
                • Feb 2016
                • 10977

                Originally posted by johnnya24
                Ken will?
                Powerful I have become. Help I will provide.

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                • The Feral Slasher
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 13396

                  Originally posted by Ken
                  Powerful I have become. Help I will provide.
                  Just dont wanna see a 20 point jump in Ken's points
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                  Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                  The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                  George Orwell, 1984

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                  • Ken
                    Administrator
                    • Feb 2016
                    • 10977

                    Originally posted by The Feral Slasher
                    Just dont wanna see a 20 point jump in Ken's points
                    OK. Close your eyes....

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                    • The Feral Slasher
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 13396

                      Originally posted by Ken
                      OK. Close your eyes....
                      Damn My Blindness, leave
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                      Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                      The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                      George Orwell, 1984

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                      • Ken
                        Administrator
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 10977

                        Originally posted by The Feral Slasher
                        Damn My Blindness, leave
                        Fine. Bye.

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                        • mjl
                          Journeyman
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 3906

                          Originally posted by Ken
                          Step 1 to correct the spreadsheet - we need to fix some playerIDs - there are a couple who were already picked who were the wrong playerID, so if I correct the 4 stat sheets with BBRef data it's going to have bbref IDs and we'll have a mismatch (those guys will have no stats). So let me pull that list first. I've been just dealing with it on my side to this point, but if everyone wants to get on the same page, playerIDs is our starting point.
                          Johan Santana should be santajo02, not 01.
                          In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.

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                          • Ken
                            Administrator
                            • Feb 2016
                            • 10977

                            Originally posted by mjl
                            Johan Santana should be santajo02, not 01.
                            Yeah, that's one of them

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                            • Ken
                              Administrator
                              • Feb 2016
                              • 10977

                              In the spreadsheet there are several rows of "99" stats. I believe these were an early attempt at getting hitting stats for some pitchers? Regardless they aren't real ID's so I'm ignoring them

                              Code:
                              quinnja99
                              uhlege99
                              yeagejo99
                              youngcy99
                              youngir99
                              zachato99
                              Here are the playerID corrections for real playerIDs that do not match bbref (and therefore I'm calling them "incorrect" - in some cases they are just a difference between lahman and bbref, but we are standardizing on bbref)

                              Code:
                              incorrect	last	first	correct
                              drewjd01	Drew	J.D.	drewj.01
                              mondead01	Mondesi	Adalberto	mondera02
                              obrieda01	O'Brien	Darby	o'brida01
                              obrieja01	O'Brien	Jack	o'brija01
                              obriepe03	O'Brien	Pete	o'bripe03
                              oconnja01	O'Connor	Jack	o'conja01
                              odoulle01	O'Doul	Lefty	o'doule01
                              ofarrbo01	O'Farrell	Bob	o'farbo01
                              oneilpa01	O'Neill	Paul	o'neipa01
                              oneilst01	O'Neill	Steve	o'neist01
                              oneilti01	O'Neill	Tip	o'neiti01
                              orourji01	O'Rourke	Jim	o'rouch01
                              orourjo01	O'Rourke	John	o'roujo01
                              phamto01	Pham	Tommy	phamth01
                              pierzaj01	Pierzynski	Anthony 	pierza.01
                              surhobj01	Surhoff	B.J.	surhob.01
                              youkike01	Youkilis	Kevin	youklke01
                              burneaj01	Burnett	A.J.	burnea.01
                              delacto01	de la Cruz	Tommy	dela_to01
                              dickera01	Dickey	R.A.	dicker.01
                              garcifr02	Garcia	Freddy	garcifr03
                              graydo02	Gray	Dolly	graydo01
                              harriwi02	Harris	Will	harriwi10
                              johnsji01	Johnson	Jim	johnsji04
                              odayha01	O'Day	Hank	o'dayha01
                              odellbi01	O'Dell	Billy	o'delbi01
                              ortizra01	Ortiz	Ramon	ortizra02
                              richajr01	Richard	J.R.	richaj.01
                              ryanbj01	Ryan	B.J.	ryanb.01
                              sabatcc01	Sabathia	CC	sabatc.01
                              santajo01	Santana	Johan	santajo02
                              vazqufe01	Vazquez	Felipe	riverfe01
                              Picks that need to be updated on the "Rounds" spreadsheet (note this is JUST a change to fix playerIDs not a change of stats):

                              Round 2 for Controller

                              h2
                              o'rouji01
                              1875

                              Round 15 for DMT
                              h9
                              o'doule01
                              1929

                              Round 18 for DMT
                              h9
                              o'neiti01
                              1929


                              Cross posted to the spreadsheet thread

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                              • Ken
                                Administrator
                                • Feb 2016
                                • 10977

                                DMT was my fear of you taking Cochrane founded? I notice you took two MI instead, I really thought you were going catcher for sure.

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