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  • heyelander
    MVP
    • Jan 2011
    • 10398

    RJEL wife asked me if anyone is throwing a knuckleball these days. I couldn't think of anyone.
    I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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    • Kevin Seitzer
      All Star
      • Jan 2011
      • 9175

      Video in this tweet showing a slow-mo of Luke Jackson's spike grip on his slider. The spike grip on a slider functions very similarly to a spike grip on a curveball.

      "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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      • heyelander
        MVP
        • Jan 2011
        • 10398

        It's a super small sample size, but if anyone has a minors draft coming up, Andrew Painter of the phils would be a nice late flyer.
        I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert...

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        • Kevin Seitzer
          All Star
          • Jan 2011
          • 9175

          Originally posted by heyelander
          RJEL wife asked me if anyone is throwing a knuckleball these days. I couldn't think of anyone.
          In the majors? I don't think so? Mickey Jannis did last year.
          "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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          • The Feral Slasher
            MVP
            • Oct 2011
            • 13396

            Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
            In the majors? I don't think so? Mickey Jannis did last year.
            Oh Mickey !
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            Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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            The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
            George Orwell, 1984

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            • Bene Futuis
              All Star
              • Jan 2011
              • 5175

              Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
              Video in this tweet showing a slow-mo of Luke Jackson's spike grip on his slider. The spike grip on a slider functions very similarly to a spike grip on a curveball.

              That's awesome - thanks!


              I will also pretend that I totally get what you're saying about the knuckle curve so as to not look like the dummy I really am. Is the term "knuckle curve" a misnomer? Or is it just referring to the anatomical knuckle rather than, as I assumed, a knuckleball-esque pitch that curves?
              More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.

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              • Kevin Seitzer
                All Star
                • Jan 2011
                • 9175

                Originally posted by Bene Futuis
                That's awesome - thanks!


                I will also pretend that I totally get what you're saying about the knuckle curve so as to not look like the dummy I really am. Is the term "knuckle curve" a misnomer? Or is it just referring to the anatomical knuckle rather than, as I assumed, a knuckleball-esque pitch that curves?
                Knuckle curve has nothing to do with the knuckleball. I think it got its name from pitchers from pitchers who put the knuckle of the index finger on the ball instead of the fingertip of the index finger.

                Image demonstrating how the knuckle on the ball would look:



                But the concept is the same and "spike curve" and "knuckle curve" get used interchangeably. Virtually all the pitchers I know who use the grip now use the spike grip rather than the knuckle grip. I think it's just easier to feel and easier to accomplish the same purpose that way. Interestingly, Adam Wainwright takes his index finger totally off the ball on his curveball. Same principle--the middle finger does all the work, the index finger is just along for the ride, or at most the index finger is doing a little pushing, but it's not creating spin.


                "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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                • Kevin Seitzer
                  All Star
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 9175

                  Craig Kimbrel spike curveball grip is another example:

                  "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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                  • Kevin Seitzer
                    All Star
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 9175

                    This is the more traditional curveball grip, for comparison:

                    "Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"

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                    • Bene Futuis
                      All Star
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 5175

                      Great stuff! Thanks, dude.
                      More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.

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                      • Bene Futuis
                        All Star
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 5175

                        Apparently it's been a looooooong time since I was taught anything about a curve grip. I've never even seen the first two. Fried's looks very familiar. We were taught the curve in little league and it was like that.
                        More American children die by gunfire in a year than on-duty police officers and active duty military.

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                        • The Feral Slasher
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 13396

                          Time for some baseball ! And some shitpoasting. Who's with me ?
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                          Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                          The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                          George Orwell, 1984

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                          • The Feral Slasher
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 13396

                            Matt Brash getting a late, but rough, intro to MLB.
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                            Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                            The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                            George Orwell, 1984

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                            • The Feral Slasher
                              MVP
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 13396

                              Ok, I guess I'll go it alone...but first I need to go pickup dinner, standby
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                              Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                              The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                              George Orwell, 1984

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                              • The Feral Slasher
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 13396

                                where are the cirl girls ?
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                                Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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                                The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                                George Orwell, 1984

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