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Did you mean this question? I figured both posts were related.Originally posted by mjl View Post
Yeah, if you have any questions about scoring or the SS, fire away.Comment
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so it looks like between the creation of the SS and today there were some significant updates to stats from between 1871 and 1875. It didn't affect hitters much (and we don't take a lot of guys from back then; Anson and O'Rourke are both slightly updated but not relevantly) but some pitchers have a significantly lower career ERA, some extra strikeouts, and maybe an extra usable BY or two. I've updated it in my copy of the SS but wasn't sure if we're actually going to use those numbers.
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Tommy Bond career ERA: 2.31 -> 2.15
Jim Devlin career ERA: 2.05 -> 1.90
George Zettlein career ERA: 2.78 -> 2.55
Tommy Bond 1875: 1.56 ERA -> 1.41, 8 K -> 70
Al Spalding 1875: 9 K -> 75In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.Comment
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Updates if you want 'em:
Code:CH ansonca01 Anson Cap 1871 1897 Deadball 10281 3435 97 2075 1999 277 984 32 0 11331 .334 orourji01 O'Rourke Jim 1872 1904 Deadball 8503 2639 62 1208 1729 229 513 36 0 9052 .310 CP spaldal01 Spalding Al 1871 1877 Deadball 2886.3 3280 684 164 248 252 347 13 2.13 1.193 zettlge01 Zettlein George 1871 1876 Deadball 2176.7 2678 616 145 143 129 250 3 2.55 1.297 mcbridi01 McBride Dick 1871 1876 Deadball 2082.0 2420 626 174 150 149 237 0 2.71 1.246 mathebo01 Mathews Bobby 1871 1887 Deadball 4956.0 5601 1573 532 1528 297 578 3 2.86 1.237 cummica01 Cummings Candy 1872 1877 Deadball 2149.7 2526 579 113 259 145 242 0 2.42 1.228 bondto01 Bond Tommy 1874 1884 Deadball 3628.7 3765 862 193 972 234 417 0 2.14 1.091 mannija01 Manning Jack 1874 1878 Deadball 573.3 694 178 70 78 39 96 12 2.79 1.333 devliji01 Devlin Jim 1875 1877 Deadball 1405.0 1437 296 90 286 72 157 0 1.90 1.087 bradlge01 Bradley George 1875 1884 Deadball 2940.0 3009 795 196 671 171 347 2 2.43 1.090 galvipu01 Galvin Pud 1875 1892 Deadball 6003.3 6405 1903 745 1807 365 705 2 2.85 1.191 BYP cummica01 Cummings Candy 1872 497.0 604 166 31 45 33 55 0 3.01 1.278 zettlge01 Zettlein George 1872 263.0 313 75 14 25 15 34 1 2.57 1.243 zettlge01 Zettlein George 1873 460.0 594 146 41 29 36 51 0 2.86 1.380 spaldal01 Spalding Al 1874 617.3 755 132 19 31 52 71 0 1.92 1.254 mathebo01 Mathews Bobby 1874 578.0 652 122 41 101 42 65 0 1.90 1.199 mcbridi01 McBride Dick 1874 487.0 514 89 32 37 33 55 0 1.64 1.121 spaldal01 Spalding Al 1875 570.7 573 101 18 75 54 72 9 1.59 1.036 mcbridi01 McBride Dick 1875 538.0 607 139 24 27 44 60 0 2.33 1.173 cummica01 Cummings Candy 1875 416.0 397 74 4 82 35 48 0 1.60 0.964 zettlge01 Zettlein George 1875 463.1 475 82 16 31 29 52 0 1.59 1.060 bondto01 Bond Tommy 1875 352.0 302 55 7 70 19 40 0 1.41 0.878 mannija01 Manning Jack 1875 139.7 153 34 14 10 15 27 7 2.19 1.196
In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.Comment
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We have always had the policy of going with B-R.com as the VD authority, so yeah, IMO these will have to be updated into the SS. I'll compile a list of selected players from this period who may be eligible for alterations. But if there are significant changes, there may be some objections.Originally posted by mjl View PostComment
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assuming that "sort by start year or BY year" and change the players with years 1875 or before is sufficient, yes. There are probably a lot of very minor changes to hitters that won't be taken in this draft that I didn't care to do, but I did all of the pitchers.In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.Comment
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The main objectionable change I'd expect is that if someone would have considered using a deadball pitcher year on a QUIZY, Zettlein has improved a lot.In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.Comment
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I think stats should remain static once the draft starts. We're not updating 2015 stats so why would we change other years now?If DMT didn't exist we would have to invent it. There has to be a weirdest thing. Once we have the concept weird, there has to be a weirdest thing. And DMT is simply it.
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That is the way I would prefer it as well, but I think we have always used whatever BR says, even if it changes the spreadsheet values. I remember CJ finding a few significant updates in one of the earlier draftsOriginally posted by DMT View Post
EDIT: in case I wasn't clear I think we should update the stats to match BR.---------------------------------------------
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I think we should start over after the 2015 season has completed so we can get one set of agreed upon stats before we start."Igor, would you give me a hand with the bags?"
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I don't think we have a choice with updating the stats. That is what we have always done ... especially in the earlier VD's ... what B-R says goes. It's not the first time that players have got buffs / nerfs to their stats mid draft, in fact it's happened several times before.Originally posted by The Feral Slasher View Post
I'm pretty sure Anson was one of the players buffed in a previous draft.Comment
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And we can even update the spreadsheet name to VD10Originally posted by Long John View Post---------------------------------------------
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No I went back and look at my H Zimmerman and his stats are different for both career and season. Slasher Lyons also is different. I would suggest everyone look up there picks and note themOriginally posted by johnnya24 View Post
Add george Davis season and career stat differentLast edited by hacko; 09-06-2015, 06:32 PM.Comment
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