(other than the Phillies/Rockies; you certainly could argue that they made the worst move by not trading)
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Rays.
End of list.12-team mixed keeper. 6x6 (OBP, QS the extra categories).
C- J.McCann
1B-Cron
2B- Villar
SS- Andrus
3B-Baez
MI-L. Gurriel
CI- Y.Gurriel
OF- Blackmon, Judge, Betts, Dom.Santana
UTIL- Benintendi
BENCH: Pence, Dyson
SP: Verlander, Scherzer, M. Boyd, JA Happ, Ponce de Leon
RP: Yates, Greene, C.Martinez, Oberg, Bummer, N.Anderson
IL: Buxton
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I don't like what the Red Sox got for Lackey.
Not sure that Craig is a bargain at his contract (2015: $5.5m; 2016: $9m; 2017: $11m); maybe they think they can turn him around from grounding out.
And Joe Kelly doesn't strike many people out.
I'm not sure why they didn't get prospects that they could then re-trade during 2015, assuming they're back in contention then.
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Originally posted by Msaint View PostRays.
End of list.Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!
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Originally posted by Grinch View PostYup....gotta agree. Especially if they turned down Addison Russell (when they were further out of the playoff hunt). This seems like the Rays decided that "We MUST sell Price", played hardball with the A's (Russell) then saw the market drop with Lester, Lackey, potentially Hammels added and hit the panic switch.
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Originally posted by Grinch View PostYup....gotta agree. Especially if they turned down Addison Russell (when they were further out of the playoff hunt).
We hear this constantly -- that the Rays turned down Addison Russell. Is this actually true or just conjecture?
Maybe the Rays were never offered Russell, because the A's weren't keen on paying Price $20 million next year. Why would the A's offer a top prospect for a pitcher they can't afford in 2015?
The A's got a comparable pitcher in Lester that they don't have to pay next year. They had to give up Cespedes, but he's overrated and platooning OFs is a strength for the A's.
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Heard this on MLB Network radio this morning, and it's somewhat true: if the Rays got Smyly & Franklin 2 years ago, many pundits would have said they got a great haul for him. Both were top prospects (Smyly was BA's 82nd rated prospect in '12, Franklin #79 in '13), both are young (Smyly is 25, Franklin 23), and both now have made the transition from prospect to major leaguer. Of course, neither have become stars yet, but their point is that many are writing these two off just because they struggled in their limited playing time to date, and many would take the devil they don't know over the devil they know.
The Cubs got Russell in the Shark deal, but had Russell come up and struggled in 300 MLB ABs, would everyone have thought differently of that deal?
Obviously, those who hate the deal for the Rays have frowned tremendously on these two.
Also, how about the fact that no Top 50 rated prospects were dealt yesterday?
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Originally posted by red View PostWe hear this constantly -- that the Rays turned down Addison Russell. Is this actually true or just conjecture?
Once they steeled themselves to trading Addison Russell, the precocious 20-year-old who was going to be their shortstop for the next seven years starting in 2015, the A's knew anyone was in play, including Price. They talked with the Rays. Permutations of a deal went back and forth. It never materialized.
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Originally posted by revo View PostHeard this on MLB Network radio this morning, and it's somewhat true: if the Rays got Smyly & Franklin 2 years ago, many pundits would have said they got a great haul for him. Both were top prospects (Smyly was BA's 82nd rated prospect in '12, Franklin #79 in '13), both are young (Smyly is 25, Franklin 23), and both now have made the transition from prospect to major leaguer. Of course, neither have become stars yet, but their point is that many are writing these two off just because they struggled in their limited playing time to date, and many would take the devil they don't know over the devil they know.
The Cubs got Russell in the Shark deal, but had Russell come up and struggled in 300 MLB ABs, would everyone have thought differently of that deal?
Obviously, those who hate the deal for the Rays have frowned tremendously on these two.
Also, how about the fact that no Top 50 rated prospects were dealt yesterday?Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!
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Originally posted by revo View PostHeard this on MLB Network radio this morning, and it's somewhat true: if the Rays got Smyly & Franklin 2 years ago, many pundits would have said they got a great haul for him. Both were top prospects (Smyly was BA's 82nd rated prospect in '12, Franklin #79 in '13), both are young (Smyly is 25, Franklin 23), and both now have made the transition from prospect to major leaguer. Of course, neither have become stars yet, but their point is that many are writing these two off just because they struggled in their limited playing time to date, and many would take the devil they don't know over the devil they know.
The Cubs got Russell in the Shark deal, but had Russell come up and struggled in 300 MLB ABs, would everyone have thought differently of that deal?
Obviously, those who hate the deal for the Rays have frowned tremendously on these two.
Also, how about the fact that no Top 50 rated prospects were dealt yesterday?
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I'd rather have Amaro's successor conduct the fire sale than Amaro.
In any case, all their guys should pass through waivers, so we could still see some deals from them.Originally posted by Kevin SeitzerWe pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.
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Originally posted by mgwiz22 View PostThis statement seems to argue that in evaluating the trade we should disregard what Smyly and Franklin have done in the last two years. That's crazy. You have to evaluate the trade based upon all available information and based on that the Rays seem to have gotten less than they should have. The Rays must think differently ( I guess) or they wouldn't have made the deal.
Would I have taken Addison Russell over those two guys? Absolutely. But we have no idea how much money Beane wanted the Rays to kick in on that sort of offer, and overall, the Rays didn't do badly. They just didn't get one of the super top 20 that most people thought they would. I'd make the case that Smyly is probably going to be better than at least half of the top 20 pitching prospects in baseball at this point (injuries are a bitch) and Franklin has an outside shot at becoming the next Zobrist-lite. So while I think the trade isn't ideal for the Rays, they certainly didn't get fleeced by any means.
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