It's not only Mr. Blutarsky's GPA, but also the local Nielsen ratings of Monday Astros' home game against the Angels. According to CBS, there are 579 active Nielsen boxes in the Houston area tracking local TV use, and not a single one was tuned to the Astros game. And this is the 2nd time in the last two weeks of games (dating to last season) when an Astros game registered a 0.0 rating. Wowza.
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostWhat an epic screw up this is. You'd think with so much ad money being lost in this conflict, there you would huge incentive to figure this out pronto.
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I truly don't understand why we don't hear more about getting that team out of there. Charlotte or Raleigh-Durham would likely give more support, maybe Nashville or Salt Lake City or even Norfolk where they'd pull in everything from Richmond to the RTC area, plus the Navy. Houston is in theory a huge market (#10 in the nation) and you hate to lose that, but the Astros already effectively have. Pull them out then put another team in Houston 7-10 years down the road and start over with a sense of excitement."There is involved in this struggle the question whether your children and my children shall enjoy the privileges we have enjoyed. I say this in order to impress upon you, if you are not already so impressed, that no small matter should divert us from our great purpose. "
Abraham Lincoln, from his Address to the Ohio One Hundred Sixty Fourth Volunteer Infantry
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Mike posted something about this last week...there's a dispute between the old cable network and the new one, as a result, there is no Astros TV offered in something like a 500 mile radius. it just went to court, so hopefully, they can work something out soon. I don't think that there's going to be a problem putting people in the seats once they can actually see the games...it's a team that has a lot going for it in the future."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostWhat an epic screw up this is. You'd think with so much ad money being lost in this conflict, there you would huge incentive to figure this out pronto."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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Originally posted by Bob Kohm View PostI truly don't understand why we don't hear more about getting that team out of there. Charlotte or Raleigh-Durham would likely give more support, maybe Nashville or Salt Lake City or even Norfolk where they'd pull in everything from Richmond to the RTC area, plus the Navy. Houston is in theory a huge market (#10 in the nation) and you hate to lose that, but the Astros already effectively have. Pull them out then put another team in Houston 7-10 years down the road and start over with a sense of excitement.
How would moving to a much smaller market and starting over with a new fan base and a losing team fix a legal dispute over the RSN? You can't hurry the legal system, much as I wish it would be resolved now. Those markets you suggest would all have major viability issues. Houston has no such viability issues long term. Making a rash decision because of a short-term blip would be very dumb."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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Actually, it has nothing to do with this short term screw up, Mike. It has to do with the awful history of the team and its lackluster fanbase-- the current screw-up is merely emblematic of the franchise's recent history. Houston appears to have lost its taste for this team, so move them out and start over in a market where they'll draw. The "much smaller market" thing is so overdone at this point-- Houston is the #10 market in the country as measured by Nielson, Miami is top 15 and is actually much larger in reality as it draws in the other South Florida markets, etc.-- yet look at these teams as opposed to well run teams in markets that are measurably smaller but have the demand. The Carolinas/VA Tidewater would add another team to the under represented South and would draw in markets like Charleston, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham and Norfolk. More importantly, perhaps, it would be one of the few games in town, as it were-- there is less competition for the professional sports dollar there. Ditto SLC-- put a team there and you are effectively the only game in town with the Jazz season not terribly overlapping-- and the Utah demo dovetails nicely with MLB's targets.
Houston should follow the MLB model for DC or the NHL's in Minneapolis, albeit on an accelerated timeline-- pull the Astros, let people miss baseball for a while and then move in another team 7-10 years down the line. It's not like MLB is getting anything out of the "large" Houston market. Besides, Mike, living in the Crolinas is a hell of lot nicer than living in Houston"There is involved in this struggle the question whether your children and my children shall enjoy the privileges we have enjoyed. I say this in order to impress upon you, if you are not already so impressed, that no small matter should divert us from our great purpose. "
Abraham Lincoln, from his Address to the Ohio One Hundred Sixty Fourth Volunteer Infantry
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Originally posted by Bob Kohm View PostActually, it has nothing to do with this short term screw up, Mike. It has to do with the awful history of the team and its lackluster fanbase-- the current screw-up is merely emblematic of the franchise's recent history. Houston appears to have lost its taste for this team, so move them out and start over in a market where they'll draw. The "much smaller market" thing is so overdone at this point-- Houston is the #10 market in the country as measured by Nielson, Miami is top 15 and is actually much larger in reality as it draws in the other South Florida markets, etc.-- yet look at these teams as opposed to well run teams in markets that are measurably smaller but have the demand. The Carolinas/VA Tidewater would add another team to the under represented South and would draw in markets like Charleston, Charlotte, Raleigh/Durham and Norfolk. More importantly, perhaps, it would be one of the few games in town, as it were-- there is less competition for the professional sports dollar there. Ditto SLC-- put a team there and you are effectively the only game in town with the Jazz season not terribly overlapping-- and the Utah demo dovetails nicely with MLB's targets.
Houston should follow the MLB model for DC or the NHL's in Minneapolis, albeit on an accelerated timeline-- pull the Astros, let people miss baseball for a while and then move in another team 7-10 years down the line. It's not like MLB is getting anything out of the "large" Houston market. Besides, Mike, living in the Crolinas is a hell of lot nicer than living in Houston
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Originally posted by cavebird View PostI am not sure what market wouldn't be lost by a team that has lost so many games multiple seasons in a row. There wasn't a problem when they had good teams. I don't think there is any issue there that getting the TV mess fixed and winning games wouldn't resolve. It sure sounds like your plan is more based upon your relative like of the areas you discuss."Jesus said to them, 'Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are going into the kingdom of God ahead of you.'"
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