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  • #61
    Originally posted by eldiablo505
    Well, except that bag of magic beans (Beanes?) was $10 million plus the marginal prospect. Looks like a pretty terrible acquisition so far. Johnson had tons of saves, a relatively meaningless statistic, but had a metric shit ton of red flags heading into this year.

    I'm with SlideRule - it was a head-scratcher at the time and the deal has just looked worse and worse and, yeah, I think a lot of people saw this coming.
    A lot of the same people saw this coming last year as well, and Johnson ended up with 50 saves...again. The contract was a one and done deal, and they had the money, so why not? They didn't want to get tied up with a longer deal

    That said, I'm not sure that Johnson can do the resurrection act twice in two years, not with the quality of arms that he now shares the bullpen with. He should, but it's not a given.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by eldiablo505
      Well, except that bag of magic beans (Beanes?) was $10 million plus the marginal prospect. Looks like a pretty terrible acquisition so far. Johnson had tons of saves, a relatively meaningless statistic, but had a metric shit ton of red flags heading into this year.

      I'm with SlideRule - it was a head-scratcher at the time and the deal has just looked worse and worse and, yeah, I think a lot of people saw this coming.
      $10 mil seems like a waste of money for a low revenue team but other than that its a good acquisition. Both Johnson's ERA and xFIP have been good and stable from 2010-2013, velocity looks stable.
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      • #63
        Next in line in DET: Al Al or Joba? Both haven't been stellar to say the least, but Nathan admitting he has dead arm, and not throwing his fastball (nibbling at corners, walking more guys, etc.) is a BAD sign....so, which one would you guys snag if you had a spec spot?
        12-team mixed keeper. 6x6 (OBP, QS the extra categories).

        C- J.McCann
        1B-Cron
        2B- Villar
        SS- Andrus
        3B-Baez
        MI-L. Gurriel
        CI- Y.Gurriel
        OF- Blackmon, Judge, Betts, Dom.Santana
        UTIL- Benintendi
        BENCH: Pence, Dyson
        SP: Verlander, Scherzer, M. Boyd, JA Happ, Ponce de Leon
        RP: Yates, Greene, C.Martinez, Oberg, Bummer, N.Anderson
        IL: Buxton

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        • #64
          Perhaps Billy plans to flip Johnson for a prospect or cheap player, near the deadline? If so, he'd spend $6.5 million in salary (which was probably in the 2014 budget already), get the saves, and get a player that would help the team in future seasons.
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          • #65
            Originally posted by ThatRogue View Post
            Perhaps Billy plans to flip Johnson for a prospect or cheap player, near the deadline? If so, he'd spend $6.5 million in salary (which was probably in the 2014 budget already), get the saves, and get a player that would help the team in future seasons.
            He tried that five years ago with Matt Holliday and managed to turn CarGo into Brett Wallace. The half season in Oakland wasn't terrible if you factor ballpark effects in but it looks bad in the context of his years in Colorado and St. Louis.

            Johnson won't have value to anyone if he keeps pitching the way he is now.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Msaint View Post
              Next in line in DET: Al Al or Joba? Both haven't been stellar to say the least, but Nathan admitting he has dead arm, and not throwing his fastball (nibbling at corners, walking more guys, etc.) is a BAD sign....so, which one would you guys snag if you had a spec spot?
              nathan really struggling tonight...
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              • #67
                Originally posted by bryanbutler View Post
                nathan really struggling tonight...
                aaand, the save is blown.

                ETA - by the mighty dee gordon. all around the globe anibal sanchez owners collectively gasp...
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                • #68
                  and then kenley jansen gives up a jack to v-mart. wow.
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                  • #69
                    alburquerque with the save in the end.
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                    • #70
                      Tigers are 5-2 but their bullpen is another story. If Nathan doesn't straighten out then the Tigers go from a bad pen to disaster mode. Alburquerque would be one to speculate on but until he can prove he can cut those walks down he'll never be successful. Joba is another one which twice now has been taken out after allowing lead-off batters to get on so Ausmus not trusting him. Coke needs to be cut from the team but the Tigers for some reason keeps him around. The rest Krol, Reed and Putkonen I doubt were on anybody's list. All the Tigers can do is ride out Nathan and prays this is just a bad short stretch.

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                      • #71
                        Joba got a shot, sucked. Some other gentlemen who apparently play baseball for a living got shots, meh...then Al Al in for the final out & save. Dead Arm Nathan gets win. I wouldn't count on much more from him, seems DL's a'comin....
                        12-team mixed keeper. 6x6 (OBP, QS the extra categories).

                        C- J.McCann
                        1B-Cron
                        2B- Villar
                        SS- Andrus
                        3B-Baez
                        MI-L. Gurriel
                        CI- Y.Gurriel
                        OF- Blackmon, Judge, Betts, Dom.Santana
                        UTIL- Benintendi
                        BENCH: Pence, Dyson
                        SP: Verlander, Scherzer, M. Boyd, JA Happ, Ponce de Leon
                        RP: Yates, Greene, C.Martinez, Oberg, Bummer, N.Anderson
                        IL: Buxton

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                        • #72
                          Thanks Shawn Kelley...
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Msaint View Post
                            Joba got a shot, sucked. Some other gentlemen who apparently play baseball for a living got shots, meh...then Al Al in for the final out & save. Dead Arm Nathan gets win. I wouldn't count on much more from him, seems DL's a'comin....
                            First off dead arm pitchers do not generally go on the DL. It's common among pitchers and they get through it. If however there is a hidden injury or his skills have dropped because of his age that is another matter entirely but as of now there is no indication that he is injured. Since the Tigers are 5-2, Nathan has a 2 yr contract and the rest of the bullpen sucking he is going to have a long leash. If a Nathan owner is in a panic and willing to sell Nathan low this will be the best time to buy him.

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                            • #74
                              OAK now saying closer by committee: https://twitter.com/JaneMLB/status/454280208032350208

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by pitbull View Post
                                First off dead arm pitchers do not generally go on the DL. It's common among pitchers and they get through it. If however there is a hidden injury or his skills have dropped because of his age that is another matter entirely but as of now there is no indication that he is injured. Since the Tigers are 5-2, Nathan has a 2 yr contract and the rest of the bullpen sucking he is going to have a long leash. If a Nathan owner is in a panic and willing to sell Nathan low this will be the best time to buy him.
                                Well, it's chicken or egg, isn't it? Don't think you can entirely separate dead arm from possible injury...but it's likely diminishing skills/effectiveness. Nathan, along with Paps and Soriano, was one of the more glaring "fastball diminishing," locked-in closers heading into this year anyway....so sure, it might just be age and closers aging verrrrry quickly (like NFL RBs), but could also be something structural that's as-yet-undiagnosed. All speculation, of course, and I'm not usually an ambulance chaser but to me this path could very well to a DL stint. Why? For the very reason you wisely mentioned: to PROTECT that 2-yr investment.
                                12-team mixed keeper. 6x6 (OBP, QS the extra categories).

                                C- J.McCann
                                1B-Cron
                                2B- Villar
                                SS- Andrus
                                3B-Baez
                                MI-L. Gurriel
                                CI- Y.Gurriel
                                OF- Blackmon, Judge, Betts, Dom.Santana
                                UTIL- Benintendi
                                BENCH: Pence, Dyson
                                SP: Verlander, Scherzer, M. Boyd, JA Happ, Ponce de Leon
                                RP: Yates, Greene, C.Martinez, Oberg, Bummer, N.Anderson
                                IL: Buxton

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