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  • Ethical Dilemma

    Our minor league system allows you to keep a guy until he reaches 200 AB before he must be promoted. If said player reaches the AB amount and you don't promote him, he is officially fair game for all. Someone in our league has Kole Calhoun in his minors, and no one has called him out on it.

    Normally, I would point this out to our designated minor league tracker, but I am 99.9% sure that this owner left him listed in his minors hoping no one would notice and that he is aware he is over the limit, but is hoping no one else realizes it (he took a risk in keeping him down, because his OF was loaded last year, and he probably thought Calhoun would not go over...our deadline for promotions is the start of our playoffs).

    He is the one guy in our 16 team league that would do that and has the baseball knowledge and obsessiveness to check his own players. He has also done things like this before. His stated mottos are "if you aren't trying to cheat, you aren't trying hard enough" and "rules are meant to be interpreted in my favor." His league nickname is the sniper, because the second another minor leaguer goes over the limit in our league, he grabs him in our wild west system, where you can do that if someone is foolish enough to leave a player in the minors that long. he revels in this, and tracks ABs religiously, which is why I think he is trying to get away with something.

    Anyway, I guess, writing it out, none of that should really matter. It is justification for my desire to pretend I didn't notice, wait to the end of our auction, and call out Calhoun for a buck, which I could do, because legally, he is no longer owned by anyone, even though the rest of the league thinks he is.

    But that is wrong, right? I don't do those sort of things as a rule. Someone talk me into just letting everyone know of this error now.

    Of course, my league has several minor league hawks, so it very may well be that a few other owners noticed and are also deciding to keep quiet (Calhoun went over at the end of the year when no one would have been able to pick him up, so maybe some have noticed since then).
    Last edited by Sour Masher; 03-16-2014, 11:28 PM.

  • #2
    Why is this guy in the same league you are? I don't have a strong opinion about whether it's better to run the league friendly or cutthroat, but you probably shouldn't have a mix of those types of players in the same league.

    My feeling is that you should have a league consensus about what kind of league you are and let that guide your decision.
    In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.

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    • #3
      This league was formed in 1992 with a core from our freshman class in high school. He is that one friend you have that you wonder how you made. Most of the league is not that way, but he brings it out in others. But his competitiveness does lead to some good natured trash talking and some fun too. There is a lot of history here, and some good times and stories too.

      He happened to win the league last year, by beating me in the finals. My team outscored his by a wide margin on the year. I may be bitter. That may be playing a part in my desire to keep quiet. All I know is if it was one of the other 14 owners, I'm confident I'd have mentioned it by now. But the idea that I might get his goat when I call Calhoun in the auction is enticing. It is definitely something he would do to anyone else.

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      • #4
        Call Calhoun out in the auction. Sounds like the dude can take it.
        "I lingered round them, under that benign sky: watched the moths fluttering among the heath and harebells, listened to the soft wind breathing through the grass, and wondered how any one could ever imagine unquiet slumbers for the sleepers in that quiet earth."

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Mithrandir View Post
          Call Calhoun out in the auction. Sounds like the dude can take it.
          Well, to be fair to him, after his initial anger, he will smile about it. He'll probably make a joke about being proud of me and say welcome to the dark side. lt would pretty much validate to him that everyone is like him, but doesn't admit it. That part makes me want to announce it to the league, actually.

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          • #6
            If it is within your league rules to call him out at the auction and steal him away, I'd do it. I assume if a player in this situation is called out, anyone including the current owner can bid on him?

            Hell, I'd make up a little sign with "Sniper, Jr." on it or something similar, and if your ploy works, as soon as the hammer goes down, hang it in front of you. If it's a live auction...
            Considering his only baseball post in the past year was bringing up a 3 year old thread to taunt Hornsby and he's never contributed a dime to our hatpass, perhaps?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sour Masher View Post
              Well, to be fair to him, after his initial anger, he will smile about it. He'll probably make a joke about being proud of me and say welcome to the dark side. lt would pretty much validate to him that everyone is like him, but doesn't admit it. That part makes me want to announce it to the league, actually.
              You could always do it early in the auction, that would make it more obvious that you weren't trying to pull something over on everyone else in the league.
              In the best of times, our days are numbered, anyway. And it would be a crime against Nature for any generation to take the world crisis so solemnly that it put off enjoying those things for which we were presumably designed in the first place, and which the gravest statesmen and the hoarsest politicians hope to make available to all men in the end: I mean the opportunity to do good work, to fall in love, to enjoy friends, to sit under trees, to read, to hit a ball and bounce the baby.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mjl View Post
                You could always do it early in the auction, that would make it more obvious that you weren't trying to pull something over on everyone else in the league.
                That is true.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pogues View Post
                  If it is within your league rules to call him out at the auction and steal him away, I'd do it. I assume if a player in this situation is called out, anyone including the current owner can bid on him?

                  Hell, I'd make up a little sign with "Sniper, Jr." on it or something similar, and if your ploy works, as soon as the hammer goes down, hang it in front of you. If it's a live auction...
                  Yes, everyone could bid...if they realized he was over. Sometimes people will accidently call out someone on a minor league roster (we go 20 deep, 16 teams, so it happens). When it happens, no one else will bid, because if you do, you lose the cash and the roster spot and have to drop the player after the auction. So if no one else knows, I'd get him for a buck.

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                  • #10
                    i'm pretty easy going with rules, but I don't see you doing anything wrong here. Just wait for dollar days and call him out. You did your research. No reason you need to do everyone else's too.

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                    • #11
                      I dont know your league, but having been thru quite a few league controversies I would say taking reasonable steps to avoid unnecessary controversy might be the best policy. He could claim that he didnt notice Calhoun was over the limit; who could dispute that? Someone could claim that because noone else gave notice of it before the draft that the other owners "slept on their rights". Someone might claim that because it is a "friendly" league that it would be counter to the "spirit" of the league for someone to pull a "cutthroat" move like this.

                      Or, the powers-that-be in your league might simply allow it because that's what they want to do, regardless of the rules. We had a controversy this year in one of my leagues where some people protested an off-season trade but didnt do it w/i the time specified by our rules. These people claimed that regardless of the rules they should be allowed to contest the trade anyway. It led to our commissioner resigning. Then many other owners pleaded for the commish to come back, and there was a lot of stuff that happened behind the scenes that I know little about but the commish did come back but another member that wasnt even involved in the trade controversy, and just happened to be the reigning champion, got kicked out! Then later a couple owners submitted their keepers after the deadline, and this was allowed "in the interest of league harmony", or something like that. Basically it looks like the powers-that-be in this league got their way regardless of the rules. Also, another member did quit w/o specifying a reason.

                      Whatever the case, this might be the sort of thing that puts a sour taste in some people's mouths and influence them to quit or at least threaten to quit. Hard for me to say because I dont know your league, but I'd bring it to everyone's attention.

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                      • #12
                        It's certainly fair game to do it anytime that you want to...the wrong thing to do would be to let him get away with it. So whenever you feel is the right time, call Calhoun out and get him for a good price. It's not ethics, it's simply a strategy...like keeping extra money for dollar days so you can top people, effectively "sniping" their player.
                        "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
                        - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

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                        • #13
                          No way I let him have Calhoun without winning him at the Auction. For two reasons I think I would notify the league before hand. Let the league know like his previous statements about cheating....he's trying. So hopefully the league keeps him in check in the future. Secondly By notifying the league you do not look like you are trying to be underhanded and you may prevent some tension.

                          That said you if you do not say anything and you snipe him for a buck well that would be a huge one finger salute and worth the price of admission. Now a huge part of me likes this option and the smarmier he is or the more disdain I have for the offending owner the more I would like option two.
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                          • #14
                            Payback is a b!tch baby......ABSOLUTELY do it.....AND I would wait for dollar days. If others in your league haven't been paying attention to this ascpect they should pay the price. Maybe with two guys willing to play like that they will, failure to pay attention to details or a lesse-faire attitude to the rules leads to a weak league.
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                            • #15
                              If I read this right, it appears that this sniping is part of the game. You have a rule for it. If your league wanted the rules changed they should change them. You said there could be 7 more players contemplating doing what you are. It is evident that this is part of the game. Play with in the rules. Have fun. Get your guy if you can.

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