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  • Granderson: Effects Moving from Bronx to Citifield?

    As a Mets fan my first reaction is positive of getting Granderson however then this question came to my mind.

    For a player who has become a one dimensional power hitter, how does moving from Yankee stadium to CitiField impact Granderson?
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  • #2
    Well, I think it's not going to bode well for him. Yankee Stadium and Coors Field are a dead tie for best parks in baseball for LHH HR's. Citi Field is a neutral park for LHH HR's. Health, his hacking and the park make me quite sour on him right now for 2014.
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    • #3
      lots of triples, seriously
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Judge Jude View Post
        lots of triples, seriously
        He'll be 33 in March. I think that means lots of doubles instead of triples.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Don Quixote View Post
          He'll be 33 in March. I think that means lots of doubles instead of triples.
          Or just a lot of flyball outs when he does manage to make contact all 67% of the time.
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          • #6
            145 HRs over the past 5 years - 73 at home, 72 on the road. 10 pt difference in his OPS

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Moonlight J View Post
              145 HRs over the past 5 years - 73 at home, 72 on the road. 10 pt difference in his OPS
              Now that's interesting. I would have thought he had hit at least 60% of his HR at home, given the Short Porch. I may have to do a little more research and possibly give him a little more consideration for 2014. Of course his home park will have a negative effect on his power, but evidently not as much as I thought, and some of those road venues will help him.
              Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Moonlight J View Post
                145 HRs over the past 5 years - 73 at home, 72 on the road. 10 pt difference in his OPS
                I wonder whether this really matters. Do players really have different, sustainable, reactions to park effects? If Granderson had 103 HR at home and 42 on the road vs. what he had, would that individual split really matter? Is it still better to look at overall park effects across multiple batters?

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                • #9
                  He'll be fine...if healthy, he's going to go .245/35/90/90, with 20+ steals. Plenty of value there. I drop down his runs and RBI because of the line-up surrounding him.
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                  • #10
                    I question the HRs and SBs, given the park and his age. He'll be very useful, and he's a great upgrade for the Mets' outfield, but don't expect 2011 numbers.
                    Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)

                    Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)

                    A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Don Quixote View Post
                      I question the HRs and SBs, given the park and his age. He'll be very useful, and he's a great upgrade for the Mets' outfield, but don't expect 2011 numbers.
                      I don't see him as a guy who's going to age badly...as Jason pointed out, his home/road splits are very even, so the move isn't going to affect him greatly, IMO. Plus, he gets out of the AL east...not that facing the Nats and Braves pitching is any picnic...
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                      • #12
                        And Hamels and Lee. And Jose Fernandez.
                        Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Erik View Post
                          And Hamels and Lee. And Jose Fernandez.
                          Hamels has to bounce back, Lee is still a stud, and Fernandez...my God, he's so much potential it's scary. He might just be the one that the Marlins build around and keep...
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                          • #14
                            I owned him in '11 and '12 and he was awesome.
                            I think it will be interesting to see how it goes given the weights of the splits MJ just put up vs. what we see in his skill set and the park factors. Maybe he is not park-dependent as a hitter.
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                            • #15
                              I saw this linked on another board, and thought it was interesting - http://www.hittrackeronline.com/deta...52&type=hitter

                              If you look at Granderson's HRs from 2012 (43) and overlay Citi Field's dimensions, it looks like somewhere between seven and ten of his homers would not have left the park (this doesn't take into account that half his games won't be at Citi, so some of those may still have been homers).

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