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Originally posted by Ken View PostI agree, seems like it would be a huge issue for the players union if mlb could just decide to restrict a player with no charges and no pending charges against him. That would be a bad precedent for them to allow, as terrible as this individual person/act is.
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Originally posted by rhd View PostThe issue is the Dodgers, not MLB, restricting Bauer. But let's say your point is the same if it's the Dodgers' restriction. Do they play him which will unleash a ton of negative publicity on them? Do they cut him while continuing to pay him and he gets signed by another team, maybe one of the Dodgers' competitors?
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Originally posted by the heat View PostCan they do what the Texans did with Watson?
Pay him, don't play him. On 40-man but not Major league roster?
Or some sort of administrative leave so he can't sign with another team?
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostThose examples are from football. I can't think of another case of such a divisive player before the incident, once not liked by many of his teammates, have a violent assault like this with photos, being welcomed back to the team. My hunch is that some teams would be willing to take on the toxicity of him, because of the talent, but that the Dodgers are one of the few teams that just do not need to, so I would be surprised if he ends up pitching for the Dodgers again.
Kirby Puckett
Julio Urias
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Domingo German
Jose Reyes
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Is it right? Hell no. It's terrible. But my point is that if the Dodgers release Bauer, paying off $64m to have him not play, you know some other team will pick him right up, just like they did in the NFL. As my buddy said, you can almost see Bauer mowing down the Dodgers lineup in a Giants or Padres uniform while the Dodgers are paying him his salary.
So unless MLB does something, I don't believe the Dodgers will do much either. Maybe a 10 or 20 game suspension.
The sport should be better than this, but until it is, the teams should play within the rules.
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Originally posted by revo View PostHere's just some baseball players who have come back (or will soon be back) from assault cases over the years. And these are just documented cases, I'm sure many teams knew about many, many more issues that they swept under the rug with many other players:
Kirby Puckett
Julio Urias
Aroldis Chapman
Domingo German
Jose Reyes
Jeurys Familia
Addison Russell
Odubel Herrera
Starlin Castro
Marcell Ozuna
Omar Vizquel
Milton Bradley
Brett Myers
Pedro Astacio
Wil Cordero
Julio Lugo
Dante Bichette
Is it right? Hell no. It's terrible. But my point is that if the Dodgers release Bauer, paying off $64m to have him not play, you know some other team will pick him right up, just like they did in the NFL. As my buddy said, you can almost see Bauer mowing down the Dodgers lineup in a Giants or Padres uniform while the Dodgers are paying him his salary.
So unless MLB does something, I don't believe the Dodgers will do much either. Maybe a 10 or 20 game suspension.
The sport should be better than this, but until it is, the teams should play within the rules.
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Originally posted by Todd Zola View PostThe facts weren't reprehensible enough to warrant criminal charges. I don't want to do down this road. My point is, the league will impose what they feel is warranted so I'm not sure they'll allow the Dodgers to go beyond that.2021 Auction Anatomy
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Originally posted by revo View PostHere's just some baseball players who have come back (or will soon be back) from assault cases over the years. And these are just documented cases, I'm sure many teams knew about many, many more issues that they swept under the rug with many other players:
Kirby Puckett
Julio Urias
Aroldis Chapman
Domingo German
Jose Reyes
Jeurys Familia
Addison Russell
Odubel Herrera
Starlin Castro
Marcell Ozuna
Omar Vizquel
Milton Bradley
Brett Myers
Pedro Astacio
Wil Cordero
Julio Lugo
Dante Bichette
Is it right? Hell no. It's terrible. But my point is that if the Dodgers release Bauer, paying off $64m to have him not play, you know some other team will pick him right up, just like they did in the NFL. As my buddy said, you can almost see Bauer mowing down the Dodgers lineup in a Giants or Padres uniform while the Dodgers are paying him his salary.
So unless MLB does something, I don't believe the Dodgers will do much either. Maybe a 10 or 20 game suspension.
The sport should be better than this, but until it is, the teams should play within the rules.
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Originally posted by revo View PostYup, I forgot he came back after that. I thought he was done after the charges came out, so yeah, him too.
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Originally posted by ThatRogue View PostI'd like to make a quick point of clarification: Prosecutors did not file criminal charges because they did not feel they had enough evidence to prove the case beyond reasonable doubt...not because the facts were not reprehensible enough to warrant criminal charges.Follow me on Twitter @ToddZola
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Originally posted by Sour Masher View PostThanks for the depressing list--I'd forgotten many of these, which supports your point. But my point isn't so much about what the Dodgers should do, but what they will do. Maybe you are right that fan and teammate sentiments won't be enough to compel the Dodgers to cut bait on so much money and talent. I just think the Dodgers really do not want Bauer anymore and they will explore all options to get him off the team. If you are right that most teams will have the attitude that Bauer will have served his league suspension, like many before him, and then he is fair game, the market for him won't be as soft as I think, so the Dodgers would not have to give him away while paying most of his salary. They would have options, including making sure he ends up in the AL, on a team bad enough that they don't have to worry about facing him in the WS. We won't know how it plays out for awhile, but if I had to bet, I'd bet the Dodgers get rid of him, if they can.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostYou may have missed above, the Dodgers can’t restrict him without mlb’s approvsl
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Originally posted by Todd Zola View PostThe allegations were reprehensible. No one, except two people, know the facts.If I whisper my wicked marching orders into the ether with no regard to where or how they may bear fruit, I am blameless should a broken spirit carry those orders out upon the innocent, for it was not my hand that took the action merely my lips which let slip their darkest wish. ~Daniel Devereaux 2011
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
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Originally posted by Todd Zola View PostThe allegations were reprehensible. No one, except two people, know the facts.
That all protects Bauer legally, but the accusations that Bauer went too far, coupled with the facts we do know--that significant injuries were sustained, along with photos highlighting those injuries'--bruises, swelling, scratches--makes Bauer a villainous figure in the eyes of many (though, I know many are celebrating the fact that he is not being prosecuted and angry that he had to sit out last year).
Even if one accepts Bauer's side of the story completely, many still see a man who gets off on engaging in extremely abusive and demeaning sex with women. We now live in a society where kink shaming is frowned upon to an extent, but a lot of folks will still have trouble rooting for Bauer, which I think is always a factor in assessing the risk/reward of rostering players like this. Bauer has a lot of talent, so the tolerance is higher for him than a lesser player. But while we do not know if the most reprehensible accusations from his accuser are true, we do know enough facts for Bauer to not be someone a lot of people want to root for. I am sure lots of teams would still take him on, but I guess time will tell if the Dodgers are one of them. They have financial flexibility a lot of teams don't.
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