Clubhouse Confidential made it sound like the Rays have the two best defensive catchers in baseball when you look at all defensive metrics including pitch framing.
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Originally posted by schlesinj View PostClubhouse Confidential made it sound like the Rays have the two best defensive catchers in baseball when you look at all defensive metrics including pitch framing."Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
- Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)
"Your shitty future continues to offend me."
-Warren Ellis
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Originally posted by eldiablo505The dude's slash line last year was .198/.306/.261 and he gets three years and 11 million. Amazing.
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Hanigan/Molina combine for 4.5M in 2014, 6.25M in 2015. We have to assume that even Tampa can afford $4.5M for a pair of catchers. If it's too much next year, they can make a move then.
One of the most difficult things to quantify in baseball is the impact of catchers like these on starting pitchers, particularly the young pitchers that Tampa repeatedly relies on to perform. They've been good for the last six years (90+ wins in five, playoffs in four) with low payrolls, so any criticism should be tempered by the observation that this team knows how to win in unconventional ways.people called me an idiot for burning popcorn in the microwave, but i know the real truth. - nullnor
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Originally posted by Moonlight J View PostOne of the best pitch framers in the game, who knows how to get on base (.356 OBP over last 3 seasons). Once he became available, it was inevitable he was coming to TB. They value run prevention over all else
How Hanigan is used is critical. He's not an everyday catcher, and he's not a DH. If he starts twice a week and comes in when the Rays pinch-hit for Molina, that's the best way. Perhaps they'll carry three catchers and have Lobaton DH some of the time?Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)
Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
-- William James
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Originally posted by Moonlight J View Postand the biggest bust in recent Tampa Bay history continues to get worse
Every team has its Wall of Shame. My team's includes John Van Benschoten, Bobby Bradley, Daniel Moskos, and Bryan Bullington. It takes real talent to have as many ultra-high draft picks as the Pirates had and get nothing out of it.Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)
Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
-- William James
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Originally posted by Erik View PostMatt Bush is way bust-ier than that.Only the madman is absolutely sure. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (1932-2007)
Faith is believing what you know ain't so. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
-- William James
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Originally posted by Erik View PostMatt Bush is way bust-ier than that.
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I never rate guys based on draft position, the reasons they end up where they get drafted are varied.....cost, sign-ability, high school vs college, other sports, heck.... even who his agent is. Give me at least a year against similar competition then we'll look. I will agree he may be the biggest TB flop, although Elijah Dukes' method was certainly was more of a train wreck.Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!
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