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Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
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Originally posted by revo View PostMy friends and I usually have this discussion -- these bottom feeders are always on "the cycle": they dump, those prospects start to make the roster, some do well, other don't, they continue to dump, the older prospects start to become solid players or stars, then over time the newer prospects make the roster, but by the time the newer prospects become solid players, the team is trading off the older, former prospects. Wash, rinse & repeat.
Originally posted by revo View PostOnce in a blue moon do the stars align and the older prospects and newer prospects emerge together, then that's when the team should make trades to help. It happens, but infrequently -- 2015 Royals, 2016 Cubs, I'm sure there's a few others.
Originally posted by revo View PostThis is the time for the Orioles. They haven't been this good since 2016 (which was definitely a team that was on the cycle as well). Go out and make a few low cost deals for pitchers like Paul Blackburn or Daniel Bard, add $10-$20m in salary, and let's see what we have here. Stranger things have happened.
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The Orioles having the first pick and 3 of the top 42 picks in Sunday's MLB draft should also help their cause.
There are some interesting names in this draft:
OF Druw Jones (No. 1 prospect), son of former MLB OF Andruw Jones
SS Jackson Holliday (No. 2 prospect), son of former MLB OF Matt Holliday
OF Elijah Green (No. 3 prospect), son of former NFL TE Eric Green
OF Justin Crawford (No. 13 prospect), son of former MLB OF Carl Crawford
I'm hoping that Green falls to the Pirates, who have the number 4 pick.“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Last year's top prospect SP Kumar Rocker is also back in the draft after the Mets backed out of a $6 million deal over concerns about his shoulder and elbow.“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by rhd View PostThis happens often, especially the last 7 years. The Royals and Cubs are not the only recent teams to go from relatively short rebuilds to WS champs. The Astro in 2017, the Nats in 2019 and the Braves in 2021 also did it. That's 5 out of the last 7 WS champs that won this way. This is what the O's are trying to do and they need to stay the course.
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Originally posted by revo View PostLet's not confuse the Braves, Astros & Nats, three teams with usually sizable payrolls, with the Orioles or these other perpetual bottom feeders. Those teams did indeed rebuild, but I'm talking about these small market teams that are never-ending rebuilders because they never keep their homegrown players.
Look at Houston's rebuilding years, they were down at $22mm in 2013 (by far the lowest payroll), and $44mm in 2014 (lowest payroll).
Baltimore's 2017 payroll was $142mm and $143 mm in 2018.
Seems like both teams drop payroll when they are rebuilding (like most teams).
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Originally posted by Ken View PostI don't see how Baltimore is dissimilar from Houston historically.
Look at Houston's rebuilding years, they were down at $22mm in 2013 (by far the lowest payroll), and $44mm in 2014 (lowest payroll).
Baltimore's 2017 payroll was $142mm and $143 mm in 2018.
Seems like both teams drop payroll when they are rebuilding (like most teams).
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Originally posted by revo View PostPerhaps, but something seems to have changed with Baltimore. They were once one of the MLB's top payroll teams, but I think it's now less about rebuilding than it is something with Peter Angelos's unwillingness to spend.
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Originally posted by revo View PostPerhaps, but something seems to have changed with Baltimore. They were once one of the MLB's top payroll teams, but I think it's now less about rebuilding than it is something with Peter Angelos's unwillingness to spend.
EDIT-perhaps should have been a response to Ken
EDIT 2 - and I could be wrong, I really haven't looked at team incomes, but I suspect Baltimore may be on the low end. Of course if your team sucks, that doesn't help---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Is there really evidence that Baltimore won't go for it once they have a strong young base? They had a competitive payroll in 2018, just 4 years ago, and they have been rebuilding since then. Why is it assumed they will not increase the payroll when it is time to do so? It would not have made sense to do so in the last few years, but the only data points we have are 4-5 years ago, when they actually had a decent payroll, and.. the future which we don't know yet.
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Originally posted by Ken View PostIs there really evidence that Baltimore won't go for it once they have a strong young base? They had a competitive payroll in 2018, just 4 years ago, and they have been rebuilding since then. Why is it assumed they will not increase the payroll when it is time to do so? It would not have made sense to do so in the last few years, but the only data points we have are 4-5 years ago, when they actually had a decent payroll, and.. the future which we don't know yet.---------------------------------------------
Champagne for breakfast and a Sherman in my hand !
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The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
George Orwell, 1984
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Originally posted by Ken View PostIs there really evidence that Baltimore won't go for it once they have a strong young base? They had a competitive payroll in 2018, just 4 years ago, and they have been rebuilding since then. Why is it assumed they will not increase the payroll when it is time to do so? It would not have made sense to do so in the last few years, but the only data points we have are 4-5 years ago, when they actually had a decent payroll, and.. the future which we don't know yet.
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Originally posted by revo View PostPerhaps, but something seems to have changed with Baltimore. They were once one of the MLB's top payroll teams, but I think it's now less about rebuilding than it is something with Peter Angelos's unwillingness to spend.“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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