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Who is going to sign the best remaining free agent on the market? Spring Training has started and Lohse does not have a job. He is coming off a career-year with the St. Louis Cardinals, and nobody wants to sign him. He posted a career-low 2.86 ERA and 1.09 WHIP over 211 innings last season and is 30-11 record with a 3.11 ERA over the last two seasons. However, most teams have been reluctant to sign him as it would cost a high 2013 draft pick (as well as a significant financial commitment). Brewers, Nationals, Rangers, Indians, Cardinals, ?????
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I think the Rangers are leery of pulling another guy out of the NL Central after the Dempster fire that was last year. The Cards have said they're happy with what they have. Allegedly so are the Indians, though they make the most sense. If I had to bet I'd say the Brewers.
What about the Mets? Now that they know they won't lose their 1st rounder, they could do it, even if they don't have an opening right now (Niese, Harvey, Johan, Gee, Marcum). That isn't exactly a durable top-5 and they might want to limit Harvey a little bit anyway, though they do have Wheeler who will probably be ready mid-season. -
When was it officially announced that the mets shall not loose their 1st rounder if they sign a pick penalty free agent?Originally posted by joncarlos View PostComment
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I thought it was about 24 hours after CLE signed Bourn. Maybe I'm mis-remembering.Originally posted by wannabegriffey View PostComment
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Nope, MLB did not come to a decision. When Bourn signed, they said the hearing, if necessary, would have still been two weeks out.Originally posted by joncarlos View PostComment
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Is there a point when a player loses the compensation pick tag tied to them?Comment
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You'd have to imagine the players' union is pretty pissed for not recognizing this as a problem at the outset. Lohse is likely going to get screwed out of a good bit of money on this (and sure, some of us thought that about Rafael Soriano, but at the same time, he's an elite player for his position while Lohse is most obviously not). My general guess is that some team who won't lose a high draft pick is going to get a very good deal on him.Comment
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Good write today at mlbtraderumors.com examining the Kyle Lohse market...
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I don't think they missed this at all. They hated the old system because it screwed a ton of free agents, mostly good middle relievers. They went to this system, and it has basically only screwed three guys: LaRoche, Bourn, and Lohse. And this gives more than just an arbitration offer (which isn't so hot for middle relievers for example) it comes with a guaranteed significant one year contract offer (we can call this David Ortiz's annual salary, lol). Honestly, I think Lohse should have taken it. He has had a nice two years, but before that (and he's 34 so he pitched a lot before then) he was a total meatball.Originally posted by Bodhizefa View PostComment
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If nobody wants to give up the 1st round compensation pick to the Cardinals, and he still hasn't signed in time for opening day, it might make sense for the Cardinals to work out a sign-and-trade deal with a team that needs a starter to receive a minor league prospect for Lohse.
Otherwise, Lohse isn't the only loser here- the Cardinals would get absolutely nothing if he signs after the June draft.
Actually, I'm not 100% convinced that Lohse will ultimately be a loser here. If he does wait until mid-June to sign, by that time, many teams will have injured starting pitchers, and, with no 1st round draft pick compensation required, there'd be more bidders for his services than there are today. So Lohse might then be able to secure a longer contract. Sure, he'd miss out on 2.5 months of pay, but if he got more money and a longer contract, it'd be well worth it.Comment
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Michael Weiner (MLBPA executive director) just said he expects some talks with MLB about draft compensation before current CBA expires.Originally posted by cavebird View Post
Weiner on Lohse, LaRoche, Bourn:"The compensation affected those guys fairly dramatically this year, & we would like to try to address that.
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I can't imagine him getting more than $13.3M at any point now, even a 2 year-$15M deal would be considered a loss to me and I don't think he'll ever even get that. So he will come out a loser, but is it the new system's fault or his? He thinks one or two decent years made him an ace. He should have taken the $13.3M, try to perform the same for another year, and then see what he can get. Declining almost tells me he knows his best bet was to try to strike while the iron was hot because he's not all that confident he will keep it up. What sucks is I own him for $1 in an NL only. I sure hope something is resolved by the time keepers are due in two weeks.Originally posted by james33 View PostSome people say winning isn't everything. I say those people never won anything.
Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win AND never quit are idiots.
The last thing I want to do is hurt you...but it's still on the list.
Some people are like Slinkies, they are not really good for anything but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
"...relentless inevitability of Yankee glory." - The OnionComment
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Having to give-up a first round pick has no doubt has restricted his market. He certainly compares favorably (equal or better) than all of the following who have signed...Originally posted by TopChuckie View Post
Jake Peavy (31), 2 years, $29M
Edwin Jackson (29), 4 years, $52M
Hiroki Kuroda, (37), 1 year, $15M
Anibal Sanchez (28), 5 years, $80M
Ryan Dempster (35), 2 years, $26.5M
Dan Haren (32), 1 year, $13M
and then...
Jeremy Guthrie (33), 3 years, $25M
Joe Blanton (31), 2 years, $15M
Jorge De La Rosa (31), 1 year, $11M
Scott Feldman (29), 1 year, $6M
Joe Saunders (31), 1 year, $7MComment
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The following would be very interesting, and with Scott Boras running the show, it could happen...
Unless Lohse wants to hold-out until the Major League Baseball Draft (June 6-8), which is the deadline for receiving draft pick compensation, the veteran pitcher might have to look into signing a Minor League contract. Yet, the Commissioner’s office might have a problem with that too.
According to Article XX(B)(4) of the new CBA: A Qualified Free Agent who signs a bona fide Minor League contract shall not be subject to compensation irrespective of whether the Minor League contract is subsequently assigned to the Major League Club provided that the execution of the Minor League contract and the subsequent assignment were not the product of an agreement or understanding designed to circumvent Article XX(B)(3) and (4).
Would Kyle Lohse signing a Minor League contract with a $13MM salary entitlement (upon being added to the 25-man roster)–or any Minor League deal, for that matter–be circumventing the rule? Undoubtedly. However, on that same note, Scott Boras and the Player’s Union could make the point that Major League Baseball has no right to force a player to sign with a team–especially if another team is offering a more lucrative contract.
For instance, if the Los Angeles Angels were to offer Lohse a one-year, $2MM Major League contract, but the New York Mets put a one-year, $13MM Minor League contract (with an all-but-guaranteed Major League promotion) on the table, could Bud Selig really prevent the pitcher from signing with the Mets? And furthermore, if Selig alternatively suggested that Lohse sit-out the first two months of the season (until after the MLB Draft), and put the free-agent in a position to lose around $4.3MM (two months of a $13MM yearly contract), wouldn’t that too be a field day for the Player’s Union?
Even though the CBA clearly states how the Minor League route is a no-no, if the Player’s Union stepped up to the plate for Lohse, there might be enough talking points to win what would be a historic case.
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