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    Taking KB's idea and hoping that we can all get a little insight about our home clubs.

    Looking at the 2013 Twins, there's not much to get hopeful about, IMO. The offense could be downright pathetic, the Defense OK, and the pitching better than last year, but still abysmal.

    Catcher

    Joe Mauer bounced back big time last year, and was one of 2 catchers to go .300/80/80. He tossed in 8 steals to boot. He's always an injury risk, but I doubt that he'll catch anywhere close to 100 games this season, so he should be fine.

    Infield

    This is a sore spot indeed, you could have as many as 3 black holes for average, and absolutely no power or speed in the middle infield. Pedro Florimon is the leader to start as SS...he has no power, a horrible BA, and mediocre speed, which really won't matter since he's not going to get on base enough to use it. He is however, a defensive whiz for those of you who use defensive metrics in your leagues. Brian Dozier is going to give it a go at 2nd...again, not much of an average, bit potential double digits in Homers and steals if he gets 500 AB's. Jamey Carroll is likely to back up all infield positons other than 1st, he's a WYSIWYG guy at this stage of his career. Empty average and little else. Eduardo Escobar could get one of the slots, if the other fail...nothing to see here either.

    At 1st base, you have former MVP and concussion victim Justin Morneau...I look for him to bounce back and have a good year. Say, 25+ HR's and close to 100 RBI, if there's anyone to drive in. They keep trying to replace Trevor Plouffe, but they have NOTHING close to being ready. Eventually Miguel Sano is going to be there, but probably not until 2015. So you have Trev, who has good power, and little else. But he's going to be there...so expect 20 HR's with about a .230 or so average and not
    much else.

    Outfield

    Apparently, the Twins feel so good about there OF situation that they decided to trade their only legitimate center fielders...I guess that they needed the power arms they got in return, but it leaves them with Darin Mastroianni as the starting CF as of right now. He'll give you a little power, a lot of speed, and probably some splinters in his ass when they decide to bring Aaron hicks up full time, most likely in June. Hicks is the former wunderkind who hit some hard times, disappeared off most people's radar, and then returned last year in AA to have a solid season. He projects to have good speed, moderate power, and a pretty good approach at the plate. He's worth a late round flyer in very deep leagues. Chris Parmalee is going to be the RFer, and he's unlikely to do anything special...good power potential and a middling average, he'll also qualify at 1st. Keep an eye on him early...he could surprise. And Willingham will do what he does, hit a lot of homers, and probably get injured along the way, and then get traded for something come July. But he is a certified major league hitter, so that's something.

    Pitching

    Ugh, the less said about this the better, they should finish last in the majors in K's, and really have no #1, or #2, Or #3...they have several four and five guys however, so that'll be something to look forward to. Pelfrey, Corria, Diamond, Worley, and former 1st rounder and TJ recipient Kyle Gibson, should eventually form the starting rotation. Ugh. Other than Glen Perkins, the bullpen is likely to be Ugh as well...nothing to see here, IMO.

    The good thing is that the farm system is very good, and the Twins have finally decided that pitching to contact really doesn't work all that well. So eyel are on 2015 and beyond, with the hope that these kids are as good as some scouts say thay are.
    "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
    - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

    "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
    -Warren Ellis

  • #2
    Very Nice Hornsby. I like the format. At least my Tribe shouldn't finish last this year.
    One thing that always struck me about the Twins is their ability to pull pitching out of their butt. They always seem to do a nice job even though on paper they don't look like much. Surprised they didn't hang on to Baker. A few years ago I would have thought a nice group of kids; Revere, Hicks and Sano would be teaming up with a nice group of veterans like Morneau, Mauerm Cuddyer and Span to be contending in the Central. Whaaa Happen??
    Any kids have a chance to make some noise in the rotation?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by KnuckleBalls View Post
      Any kids have a chance to make some noise in the rotation?
      Just Kyle Gibson as Horns stated.
      "Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
      - Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane

      i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
      - nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by KnuckleBalls View Post
        Very Nice Hornsby. I like the format. At least my Tribe shouldn't finish last this year.
        One thing that always struck me about the Twins is their ability to pull pitching out of their butt. They always seem to do a nice job even though on paper they don't look like much. Surprised they didn't hang on to Baker. A few years ago I would have thought a nice group of kids; Revere, Hicks and Sano would be teaming up with a nice group of veterans like Morneau, Mauerm Cuddyer and Span to be contending in the Central. Whaaa Happen??
        Any kids have a chance to make some noise in the rotation?
        They apparently decided that Baker wasn't "tough" enough and didn't want to pitch with a little pain. Well, it turned out that his "little" pain needed to be surgically repaired, so the parting was pretty mutual. As far as keeping the vets, it just got too expensive for the return they were getting. They had no choice but to give Mauer the huge deal after his MVP year, and now some of the dumber locals boo him because he doesn't hit 40 HR's. Morneau still suffers from the concussion, and Cuddy and Span really weren't that good...above average, but not worth the dollars they were going to make on the open market. I was surprised that they dealt revere off, but I suspect that they had Philly by the short hairs and were able to extract May and Worley, a pretty nice haul for a slappy.

        As ITC said, none of the kids are going to come up...perhaps Liam Hendricks, but he was a disaster last year.
        "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
        - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

        "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
        -Warren Ellis

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hornsby View Post
          They apparently decided that Baker wasn't "tough" enough and didn't want to pitch with a little pain. Well, it turned out that his "little" pain needed to be surgically repaired, so the parting was pretty mutual. As far as keeping the vets, it just got too expensive for the return they were getting. They had no choice but to give Mauer the huge deal after his MVP year, and now some of the dumber locals boo him because he doesn't hit 40 HR's. Morneau still suffers from the concussion, and Cuddy and Span really weren't that good...above average, but not worth the dollars they were going to make on the open market. I was surprised that they dealt revere off, but I suspect that they had Philly by the short hairs and were able to extract May and Worley, a pretty nice haul for a slappy.

          As ITC said, none of the kids are going to come up...perhaps Liam Hendricks, but he was a disaster last year.
          I think Terry Ryan has done a really good job this off-season. I hated seeing Span go, as he was one of my favorites, but Ryan got good value for Span's ability. Was very happy to see Revere go, as I don't think he is more than an average outfielder.

          Ryan's next big move will come in the summer when it comes to Willingham and getting something of value for him at the deadline.
          "Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
          - Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane

          i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
          - nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.

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          • #6
            I think the change in pitching theory is a saving grace, but I have to agree with Horns that this year is probably hopeless. The best hope is for Morneau to show that he is healthy and back, and to cash him in for something good midseason. The infield hitting and pitching is just too weak to hope for anything this year.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hornsby View Post
              Taking KB's idea and hoping that we can all get a little insight about our home clubs.

              Looking at the 2013 Twins, there's not much to get hopeful about, IMO. The offense could be downright pathetic, the Defense OK, and the pitching better than last year, but still abysmal.

              Catcher

              Joe Mauer bounced back big time last year, and was one of 2 catchers to go .300/80/80. He tossed in 8 steals to boot. He's always an injury risk, but I doubt that he'll catch anywhere close to 100 games this season, so he should be fine.

              Infield

              This is a sore spot indeed, you could have as many as 3 black holes for average, and absolutely no power or speed in the middle infield. Pedro Florimon is the leader to start as SS...he has no power, a horrible BA, and mediocre speed, which really won't matter since he's not going to get on base enough to use it. He is however, a defensive whiz for those of you who use defensive metrics in your leagues. Brian Dozier is going to give it a go at 2nd...again, not much of an average, bit potential double digits in Homers and steals if he gets 500 AB's. Jamey Carroll is likely to back up all infield positons other than 1st, he's a WYSIWYG guy at this stage of his career. Empty average and little else. Eduardo Escobar could get one of the slots, if the other fail...nothing to see here either.

              At 1st base, you have former MVP and concussion victim Justin Morneau...I look for him to bounce back and have a good year. Say, 25+ HR's and close to 100 RBI, if there's anyone to drive in. They keep trying to replace Trevor Plouffe, but they have NOTHING close to being ready. Eventually Miguel Sano is going to be there, but probably not until 2015. So you have Trev, who has good power, and little else. But he's going to be there...so expect 20 HR's with about a .230 or so average and not
              much else.

              Outfield

              Apparently, the Twins feel so good about there OF situation that they decided to trade their only legitimate center fielders...I guess that they needed the power arms they got in return, but it leaves them with Darin Mastroianni as the starting CF as of right now. He'll give you a little power, a lot of speed, and probably some splinters in his ass when they decide to bring Aaron hicks up full time, most likely in June. Hicks is the former wunderkind who hit some hard times, disappeared off most people's radar, and then returned last year in AA to have a solid season. He projects to have good speed, moderate power, and a pretty good approach at the plate. He's worth a late round flyer in very deep leagues. Chris Parmalee is going to be the RFer, and he's unlikely to do anything special...good power potential and a middling average, he'll also qualify at 1st. Keep an eye on him early...he could surprise. And Willingham will do what he does, hit a lot of homers, and probably get injured along the way, and then get traded for something come July. But he is a certified major league hitter, so that's something.

              Pitching

              Ugh, the less said about this the better, they should finish last in the majors in K's, and really have no #1, or #2, Or #3...they have several four and five guys however, so that'll be something to look forward to. Pelfrey, Corria, Diamond, Worley, and former 1st rounder and TJ recipient Kyle Gibson, should eventually form the starting rotation. Ugh. Other than Glen Perkins, the bullpen is likely to be Ugh as well...nothing to see here, IMO.

              The good thing is that the farm system is very good, and the Twins have finally decided that pitching to contact really doesn't work all that well. So eyel are on 2015 and beyond, with the hope that these kids are as good as some scouts say thay are.
              The way you paint this picture somehow makes me feel just slightly better about my Cubs...from puking to just gagging.

              Wait until next ye...I mean just wait 3 more years. woo hoo.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gregg View Post
                The way you paint this picture somehow makes me feel just slightly better about my Cubs...from puking to just gagging.

                Wait until next ye...I mean just wait 3 more years. woo hoo.
                2015 is definitely the target. Fans aren't happy about it, but I think those that understand baseball are happy that there is a vision now. Bill Smith, the former GM, never seemed to have much vision other than "I have to win now even if that means losing really good prospects." He set the organization back 5 years.

                Terry Ryan left the GM position the first time because he could separate himself from the players he groomed. He was beside himself when Torri Hunter left, as one example. I think he's worked through that and will be much more effective this time around.
                "Looks like I picked a bad day to give up sniffing glue.
                - Steven McCrosky (Lloyd Bridges) in Airplane

                i have epiphanies like that all the time. for example i was watching a basketball game today and realized pom poms are like a pair of tits. there's 2 of them. they're round. they shake. women play with them. thus instead of having two, cheerleaders have four boobs.
                - nullnor, speaking on immigration law in AZ.

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                • #9
                  I predict they will go 29-9 in one run games en route to a 93 win season.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dave_dewit View Post
                    I predict they will go 29-9 in one run games en route to a 93 win season.
                    Why do you think there will be any one run games? Do they play the Cubs this year?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hornsby View Post
                      They apparently decided that Baker wasn't "tough" enough and didn't want to pitch with a little pain.
                      They'll love Worley, then. He doesn't tell anyone when he's injured.
                      Originally posted by Kevin Seitzer
                      We pinch ran for Altuve specifically to screw over Mith's fantasy team.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gregg View Post
                        Why do you think there will be any one run games? Do they play the Cubs this year?
                        Astros in the AL...'nuff said.
                        Joking aside, they are at least as promising heading into 2013 as the Orioles were before 2012.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dave_dewit View Post
                          Astros in the AL...'nuff said.
                          Joking aside, they are at least as promising heading into 2013 as the Orioles were before 2012.
                          I am not a Twins expert but I am not so sure about this. Can a team be not as good but more promising? I think yes.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dave_dewit View Post
                            Astros in the AL...'nuff said.
                            Joking aside, they are at least as promising heading into 2013 as the Orioles were before 2012.
                            LisaSimpsonVoiceOn

                            ... 1988 was before 2012 ...

                            LisaSimpsonVoiceOff

                            The team hit bottom in 1988 when it started the season 0–21, en route to 107 losses and the worst record in the majors that year.
                            It certainly feels that way. But I'm distrustful of that feeling and am curious about evidence.

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                            • #15
                              Just a little something to chew on for those with minor league systems...kind of surprised me.

                              Tom Pelissero ‏@TomPelissero
                              Antony says he can't envision Miguel Sano or Alex Meyer making their MLB debuts this year, "but especially Sano is not that far away."
                              "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."
                              - Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

                              "Your shitty future continues to offend me."
                              -Warren Ellis

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